BAF BRITISH CHAMPIONSHIPS 2011 DATE & VENUE CONFIRMED

haha HERE HERE!!!!!!!
So far MOOCH your not off to a good start, i'd star over pal and it's probably
wise to to identify yourself.
Weren't you taught never to talk to strangers.

paul maiden wrote:

THE MOOCH wrote:

just my observations really

just seems the weigh ins system is open to abuse if u ask me (but if its well known then EVERYBODY could take advantage)
draw should be done by an independent

apart from that i loved it

ps is there no board or comittee that decides these things like other sports

There was a comittee back in 1999 but it didnt last to long after that,Neil is the president and was voted in by the wrestlers in 1999,there was a membership at 1 time a £15 annual fee but this hasnt been done for quite some time,but with that fee came a news article the member would get with a write up of events and also you would get money off the fee of the british,people of these postions are no longer in the sport and thus things never really carried forward.

I would like to be in the comittee.

NickHall wrote:

paul maiden wrote:

THE MOOCH wrote:

just my observations really

just seems the weigh ins system is open to abuse if u ask me (but if its well known then EVERYBODY could take advantage)
draw should be done by an independent

apart from that i loved it

ps is there no board or comittee that decides these things like other sports

There was a comittee back in 1999 but it didnt last to long after that,Neil is the president and was voted in by the wrestlers in 1999,there was a membership at 1 time a £15 annual fee but this hasnt been done for quite some time,but with that fee came a news article the member would get with a write up of events and also you would get money off the fee of the british,people of these postions are no longer in the sport and thus things never really carried forward.

I would like to be in the comittee.

I would put my name down to as i think people like myself,ginge,,nick,mark clay,ted, etc would put the time

David Horne would be a good guy to have to with his multisport experience

Thank you Paul.
I run the BHSA, with Steve Gardener and this is mostly done now over phone calls or when we meet up at comps. All the initial work was done at the beginning, and get a website, that is updated all the time. People want to see results, records, stats, etc. But of course this is time consuming, but it is what people like.

david horne wrote:

Thank you Paul.
I run the BHSA, with Steve Gardener and this is mostly done now over phone calls or when we meet up at comps. All the initial work was done at the beginning, and get a website, that is updated all the time. People want to see results, records, stats, etc. But of course this is time consuming, but it is what people like.

Your very welcome Mr Horne

Moving away from the negative side of the topic we have been asked if we can help with anything we as wrestlers would better suit and make the sucess of the weekend gone even better so it would be better not to look a gift horse in the mouth,

David please could you tell us more of your duties and the benfits of the roles you play thankyou???


Also boys and girls lets keep focus on the topic and so far ideas like

SHORTER DAY?
POSSIBLE LESS WEIGHT CLASSES?
SLOTED WEIGH INS TIMES?
COMMITTE?


throw them in everybody you dont have to be a top pro and 10years of pulling under the belt we dont bite

Hi Guys,

WELL I AM SHOCKED........like you said Paul "Gift Horse" and all that..........I mean for Christ sake.............who wouldn't wanna change something which is obviously soooo poorly organised and badly conducted.

Fewer weight classes (that one sounds particularly strange to me and has been tried twice before, both times it was a catastrophic disaster, plus WAF really frown upon it as they want to align National Championship classes as far as possible with those featured in the World and European Championships which I wholeheartedly endorse and agree with BUT whatever ya want I guess)
Shorter Day
Specific weigh in times (amazingly I thought we already had them.... ........I was SURE I left my Baby Boy crying after me at home to travel to Garstang and conduct the 8pm - 9pm Saturday evening weigh ins & was also pretty sure I conducted the 1-2pm slot on Sunday too ! anyway cool !)
Committee

Sounds amazing Paul, anyway I'd suggest the fairest way to do it, as per last time would be to have an election of the BAF committee and general staff etc. there always fun to coordinate and handle when elected too, you will really enjoy that part. then you get those guys who you thought appreciated your efforts who really don't and just don't rate behind your back, that stings too, leaves a REAL BAD TASTE that one.

I can't wait for next years British, it sounds incredible, I'll try to be in REALLY good shape and should be very, VERY hard to beat, what with not having any organisational stresses or money concerns due to having to fund it up front myself.

Then there is the just turn up and pull benefits too, for me that will be amazing.

Just let me know the situation Paul, you should be right at the forefront calling the shots mate or so I expect, if you need any additional Refs I'd drop THE MOOCH a line, he isn't a puller and has no experience.....BUT I hear he is right up for it !

Anyway, I guess its up to the Armwrestlers now to decide what they want to do, isn't it.

It's funny I'd really no idea I was soooo dictatorial and bad at organising / running the BAF events UNTIL NOW, annoying really as I've spent years and countless late nights trying to do my very best in quality venues.

Anyway just come on here and show your true colours guys, just let me know the score guys and if I'm wanted out of the BAF by the majority of the British Armwrestlers then so be it, all everyone had to do was just to let me know, I'M DEEPLY SHOCKED quite honestly and also hurt IF that is in fact the case BUT who knows. Its the decision of the British Armwrestlers who controls the BAF at the end of the day and I would gladly abide by the decisions of the Majority of athletes active in the UK.

I always felt that if athletes hadn't liked what I was doing they would not have attended the shows. also I had expected that those who knew better and could do it better than I can, would actually show me that and just start to do better events than the ones which I do.

I have honestly dedicated my time, money and efforts for the British pullers who appreciate what I've tryed to do, its those guys I had wanted to do a good job for.

Anyway, I've said enough, just let me know when the new look British is next year and where its being held at, I can quite easily contact the Crofters and tell them to release the dates if so required.

It's been emotional.

Incidentally, anyone who is interested in pulling in the ARM WARS Super Series events going forward guys and gals, just let me know, as if my efforts with the BAF are not required then I will of course be shifting my focus 100% and concentrating on the Professional events only.

Those of you who know me & have my mobile number, please just drop me an SMS and let me know IF you still want me to head up the BAF, I will make a decision as to how to address this situation based upon the messages I get

Cheers

Neil

Here is another really funny / ironic thing..........

I'd actually come off the back of this weekend feeling quite up beat and re energized about the Sport in Great Britain despite personally loosing a British Title to a deserving Gary Ricketts.

I personally thought that the 2010 British was the best one in quite a few years now and that the day ran very positively indeed.

Just goes to prove opinions do vary

Cheers

Neil

No matter how hard you work, and how much effort you put in , youll never be able to please all of the people all of the time.

I think you only have to look at how many people turned up and what a great time everyone seemed to have to see that one the whole it was a great event..






Gota say the crofters food was superb too

Well said Dean!

Yeah them burgers were hoofing

FAIR PLAY !!!

The Crofters Burgers are Pretty Bad Ass........................not that I managed to eat one on Sunday as I was too busy through the day with the show and the Fluffin Kitchen had stopped serving when I finished packing up

BUT I've been there before and the Burgers are ACID

Neil

I was going to say before re: the weight classes; surely the weight classes at the British nationals have to be synched with the other waf / eaf countries nationals so we have a level playing field with overseas athletes, which judging by Neil's post is why they are as they stand.

There's plenty of opportunities at other events to have less weight classes (i.e new year cup for one)

Great job nez! Thanks a lot! Really enjoyed it! Who's this mooch fella?? lol

Hi Leon,

That's absolutely correct mate, the EAF & WAF request that National Federation's try to conform to their structure and regulatory standards as far as possible and in terms of weight classes this has been a positive move as it does allow the UK athletes to see how they feel and perform at a specified WAF weight class.

I 100% agree that if fewer weight classes were to be introduced in other events then fine BUT not at the British Nationals.

Considerations :

I would again like to reiterate a point which I've made in previous threads that more attendees at events would solve a great deal of issues currently experienced in BAF and other Federations, ie. more very small regional events and regional club level focus in order to introduce new blood into the sport. This would ensure higher attendances ie. more athletes in each weight class and subsequently generate additional event revenue which could be used to ensure referees might be reinbursed in some small way for their efforts and also allow for multiple tables to be used as and when competitor numbers justified their use.

There will always be a few standouts in the events BUT a sub category would be created just beneath them in each National event which would remain very interesting ie. the tiers within the sport would be more visible perhaps but also the events would be very interesting and entertaining.

Grass roots events regional level promotion is the essential element which is and has been missing for a few years and if anyone REALLY wants to help the British sport then I cannot stress enough that this is where their efforts should be directed

Cheers

Neil
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Thanks Chris,

You had a TREMENDOUS weekend mate and I'm really happy for you and proud of you at the same time and secondly you are from a crew of developing athletes who are as good an example as there is out there of how things can be done right.

Keith Taylor deserves enormous credit for his founding and development of The Preston Panthers, this little set up have had their share of Ass whippings and have swallowed them all BUT suddenly their lads are starting to mature and create REAL WAVES in the sport. They have some serious pullers there now Paul Waters, Sam Ball & Chris Rimmer ALL British Champions. GOOD FOR YOU GUYS !!!

More of these regional Crews are whats required get out their and find the talent in Gyms Pubs town centres just find places to train publicly put a table up and pull where people can observe and learn about the sport. Generate the new lads and develop them in the right environment.

Ironically THIS WILL improve your own levels dramatically and you will get better together IRON SHARPENS IRON

Cheers

Neil

Cheers Nez! im lucky 2 have a coasch like minge!

MINGE IS THE MAN MATE !!!

JUST LET ME REITERATE MY POINT

i have accused ABSOLUTLY NO ONE of cheating AT ALL read my post i said if ANYBODY weighed in before the alloted times they cheated so if everyone weighed in at the times stated NO ONE CHEATED
IT was my observations of what i heard and saw why i raised these points
all i wanted as a spectator is to have these points answered and not a tirade

no wonder no one will speak up as if this is the shit they get when they do

as for neil
I PERSONALLY think u do a cracking job but i think clarity is needed in certain areas, as for the comitee comments with the invention of conference calls and webcams no one has to go out of there way as it can be done in ur own armchair

The webcam thing is pushing it for me but conference call is a valid point oh MYSTERIOUS "mutha fluffin" MOOCH.

I think the heat you took is more linked to your lack of identity and veiled style than anything else in all honesty.

Just man up and tell everyone who you are JOB DONE SON.

Also just to address one of the points you made, people do actually speak up, UK pullers often contact me about all sorts of things mate, I've got a really good open dialogue / relationship with 99% of the British Armwrestlers......................even the ones that F*cking hate me

Its a pretty close knit group and those that know me know that I can take the rough and the smooth though I am NEVER slow to defend myself if I feel like there is a need to.

Most of the UK pullers have my personal mobile phone and my e mail, they know me personally and they understand that whilst fundamentally a Loud, Arrogant and Orrible B*stard I am sometimes not that bad..........so they SMS or e mail me regularly to ask questions make suggestions etc. (an example would be the date change thing which a few athletes enquired about individually causing me to raise it to the widest committee I have ie. all of you and I moved the date based on the feedback and opinions received.

I am personally an upfront lad and I like people to be clear just like you do THE MOOCH.

That's why I started by asking who you were and also who exactly you were talking about specifically........that would in turn have allowed me to provide the clarity you felt was necessary.

I really don't think that there is a great deal that a committee could contribute to the British Nationals as it ain't really broke and therefore doesn't require much fixing, the focus in the regions where every club and regional director can be as free to organise and contribute as they desire without restriction now THAT is where the sport needs to concentrate. To grow tree's you need to plant seeds.

Cheers

Neil

Quote :

Keith Taylor deserves enormous credit for his founding and development of The Preston Panthers, this little set up have had their share of Ass whippings and have swallowed them all BUT suddenly their lads are starting to mature and create REAL WAVES in the sport. They have some serious pullers there now Paul Waters, Sam Ball & Chris Rimmer ALL British Champions. GOOD FOR YOU GUYS !!!

Definitely, it's amazing to see the improvement those guys are making and makes me feel like a right lazy ass in comparison! Chris Waters is worth a mention too, he's getting strong as hell!

Yes Leon, Chris waters is getting Beastly strong... duno where he keeps all that power.

KING EDWARD wrote:

Hi Guys,

WELL I AM SHOCKED........like you said Paul "Gift Horse" and all that..........I mean for Christ sake.............who wouldn't wanna change something which is obviously soooo poorly organised and badly conducted.

Fewer weight classes (that one sounds particularly strange to me and has been tried twice before, both times it was a catastrophic disaster, plus WAF really frown upon it as they want to align National Championship classes as far as possible with those featured in the World and European Championships which I wholeheartedly endorse and agree with BUT whatever ya want I guess)
Shorter Day
Specific weigh in times (amazingly I thought we already had them.... ........I was SURE I left my Baby Boy crying after me at home to travel to Garstang and conduct the 8pm - 9pm Saturday evening weigh ins & was also pretty sure I conducted the 1-2pm slot on Sunday too ! anyway cool !)
Committee

Sounds amazing Paul, anyway I'd suggest the fairest way to do it, as per last time would be to have an election of the BAF committee and general staff etc. there always fun to coordinate and handle when elected too, you will really enjoy that part. then you get those guys who you thought appreciated your efforts who really don't and just don't rate behind your back, that stings too, leaves a REAL BAD TASTE that one.

I can't wait for next years British, it sounds incredible, I'll try to be in REALLY good shape and should be very, VERY hard to beat, what with not having any organisational stresses or money concerns due to having to fund it up front myself.

Then there is the just turn up and pull benefits too, for me that will be amazing.

Just let me know the situation Paul, you should be right at the forefront calling the shots mate or so I expect, if you need any additional Refs I'd drop THE MOOCH a line, he isn't a puller and has no experience.....BUT I hear he is right up for it !

Anyway, I guess its up to the Armwrestlers now to decide what they want to do, isn't it.

It's funny I'd really no idea I was soooo dictatorial and bad at organising / running the BAF events UNTIL NOW, annoying really as I've spent years and countless late nights trying to do my very best in quality venues.

Anyway just come on here and show your true colours guys, just let me know the score guys and if I'm wanted out of the BAF by the majority of the British Armwrestlers then so be it, all everyone had to do was just to let me know, I'M DEEPLY SHOCKED quite honestly and also hurt IF that is in fact the case BUT who knows. Its the decision of the British Armwrestlers who controls the BAF at the end of the day and I would gladly abide by the decisions of the Majority of athletes active in the UK.

I always felt that if athletes hadn't liked what I was doing they would not have attended the shows. also I had expected that those who knew better and could do it better than I can, would actually show me that and just start to do better events than the ones which I do.

I have honestly dedicated my time, money and efforts for the British pullers who appreciate what I've tryed to do, its those guys I had wanted to do a good job for.

Anyway, I've said enough, just let me know when the new look British is next year and where its being held at, I can quite easily contact the Crofters and tell them to release the dates if so required.

It's been emotional.

Incidentally, anyone who is interested in pulling in the ARM WARS Super Series events going forward guys and gals, just let me know, as if my efforts with the BAF are not required then I will of course be shifting my focus 100% and concentrating on the Professional events only.

Those of you who know me & have my mobile number, please just drop me an SMS and let me know IF you still want me to head up the BAF, I will make a decision as to how to address this situation based upon the messages I get

Cheers

Neil

WELL WELL WELL
After a ding dong a c**t and a Ba****d me And the Natural are pals again but i do have to answer his sarcastic post


First point is, i thought the question of the topic was to give opinions of the day and how to improve things and iam guessing others did due to there response to, but since these comments you seem to have gone on a major world war 11 defensive when there is clearly no need to you have over reacted greatly and by doing so opened up a debate better left to pms.

the committe well to have one or not that seems to be the question and you seem to be dead against them,i understand you had a tough time with them previously but hey 10years has passed and theres eager new blood that is willing to help,you have built a house and rightly so you want to live in it but you could always rent a bit of space to people who really want to help,i will as i told you earlier collect subs,write articles,report matches in a make shift mag.We only have to look at this forum, altho it isnt a BAF website its the most important tool at our disposal and is the main reason for all the comps being so healthy attended es[ecially this years British FACT!!! so lets use this help its not a threat its a team that needs to work together in a already great group of persons.

THE WEIGH INNS well i really dont give a monkeys i weighed 99.6kg on the night and on day 103kg that suits me and the easy way sort that is nobody weighs before sloted times simple!!!



Has far as me being at the forfront of and making decesions i really dont no were you are going with that but i am no power monga even tho i do have leadership skills running 10,000 seat venues and looking after far more important people than Beckham


Has for THE MOOCH i dont agree or share there views

i hope this is the end of this crap and postive responses will be met with enthuism

HOW about a BAF facebook page takes 1 minute to set up and running anyone can join and debate put vids and pics on just click on the groups tab and press create fill in the fields and done

Paul and Neil, i tried my best to read through all of that but after a few
cans and a quarter bottle of grouse i got to be honest, it's just not happening.
What the FUCK was that all about
Obviously i don't have the fortune of knowing the history of a.w. in this
country but since i have the desire and drive to promote it in Scotland
and see our much loved sport attain the the respect and following it long
overdue deserves then it's NOT encouraging for me to see two of our countries greatest forces verbally attack one another.
Of course if i was invited to take part in any meetings for the benefit
of a.w. in the U.K. i'd be there in a flash.
I've not got time, nor am i the kind of person to commite myself to something
to then just turn around and say....'YOU KNOW WHAT, I CAN'T BE FUCKED
THIS MONTH).
If ANYBODY wants me to be part of this, then let them say so now (Neil
and Paul included), if not no skin of my nose, nothing ventured
nothing gained.
(Out of space, next post)

If this DID happen to come about then i'd have a few interests of my
own.
1st That, if successful in Scotland the league or competitions be a
recognised part of and have the FULL support of the B.A.F.
2nd That, Mghty Paul Maiden, Neil Pickup and Nick Hall be the only persons
that competitions held in Scotland by the B.A.F. be answerable too (as
these are the the ONLY 3 south of the border i listen too.
and
3rd That, in the future Rod be encluded in this arrangement to strengthen
and give a.w . the greatest level of support across the U.K.

If not, FUCK IT!!!!!!!
I've got better things to do than concern myself with shitty politics.