BAF BRITISH CHAMPIONSHIPS 2011 DATE & VENUE CONFIRMED

Il let you no tomorrow pal i need a new alloy for me beamer going scrapers,if i di il set of from mine around 12 so you wont have miss work

Cool m8, you can stay the night if you like, it's a long day when driving
both ways without rest.

Thanks pal
il let you no tomorrow

My response:

King Edward wrote:

“Having initially read your post following prior responses to “THE MYSTERIOUS MOOCH” I was a little confused as to your sources of information.”

May I state once again, that I was not taking anyone’s side, but was solely an observer. ‘THE MOOCH’S’ posts which followed (and from all that I have read on this thread), is in no small measure attributed to provoking statements. If any name calling arises towards any particularly argument, then I defend no one... What is important is to bring about debate on ideas... If any name calling comes into play, the argument is lost and the words inappropriate... I do not stand alone on this point, as many arm wrestlers have stated in this thread, that the comments made by others were totally unprofessional, and better standards should be expected. What I will state, is I know of no other sport, where a president of an organisation would be allowed to use such language and their post continue. Better standards should be a prerequisite, not a matter of choice... But as an outsider of the sport, I will leave that for those inside the sport to decide.

To further add, I only intervened regarding ‘THE MOOCH,’ solely because I disagreed with the ‘gang up’ mentality. As an outsider, if I see something happening which I think may be wrong, I don’t stand by and turn my back, I should at least have the opportunity to let the facts be known. Finally, yes, I have watched arm wrestling on the internet, and yes I have read up about the sport. No, I am not an ‘armmaster,’ just as in the same way you are not a ‘King,’ as stated above your avatar... Unless, you would think otherwise and see yourself as a monarch...

King Edward wrote:

“It has become obviously apparent that you are sat on the perimeter of the sport with very little or no knowledge of its actual content, structure or governance.”

And King Edward further wrote:

“Please note that my comments here are not meant to be in anyway derogatory”

The former statement is a blatant contradiction of the latter paragraph.

May I just say, I do not wish to indulge in replying to posts here further, but I will conclude this... We are all guilty of providing, elongated, verbose responses, which are no different to any of the other millions of other internet posts that you can find on any forum... For using the most words and paragraphs, in the majority of cases, won’t result in the strongest argument, but only illustrates a striving/longing to achieve recognition in something else, for which we cannot achieve. Quality, not quantity is the order of the day... I myself work in finance, but reality is, we are no different to the many millions of other posters on forums who thrive on the delights of providing a sensation of long replies to fulfil our satisfactions in making us think we are better at writing than others, when indeed we no different. For we are professionals in the fields we make a living from.

I have an interest in/watch all sports involving strength and speed. So, have a good day everyone and the best of arm wrestling and training to all.

Regards,
Jerry.

Hi Jerry,

Actually, the statements I made in my post, firstly that my comments were not intended to be derogatory and then secondly that you are by no means an Armmaster were in no way a contradiction but rather statements of simple fact.

There are few people in the World whom I love more than my Mother however she is not an expert in Armwrestling either, when I say that it in no way degrades her in my eyes, it doesn't make her any less of a person (she is far more in that respect than I will ever be) but it does however make her less qualified to comment on Armwrestling related topics than lets say John Brzenk or John Walker.

Rather than worry too much about the manner in which the post was written, try simply to focus on its content.

You've missed the pitch entirely with the wishin I was and writing posts cause I'm a wannabe thing mate, from the manner in which you took my you are not an Arm master comments maybe you are confusing my writings with your own !? As in all seriousness whether your opinion of me is good, bad or indifferent, you should really appreciate that as far as Armwrestling goes both on or off the table, I'm certainly no longer trying to prove anything, nor do I honestly feel that I need to Jerry, the fact is your quite simply Barking up the wrong tree there.......I've already done it, many times over and at the very highest level.

Anyway, as you prefer shorter posts (and I prefer writing them as my typing speed is moderate at best) I'll simply say that yes we are are speciallists in the things we do everyday, exactly that. You are clearly a clever lad and as you have pointed out well versed in the finance sector, therefore if I wanted to understand aspects of finance, I'd come and seek the advice and in depth knowledge of someone like yourself, I'd also be aware that whilst I might try to understand, I'd initially at least be unable to discuss finance on your level with you.

I'm a Multiple British, European and World Champion Armwrestler who also promotes both Regional Domestic and World level Armwrestling everyday of my life, that certainly doesn't make me any more of a man than you or any more intelligent than you (no matter how long either of our posts are or how we chose to write them) BUT it does make me more experienced in this particular field than you are and hopefully on reflection allows you to understand why I sometimes get frustrated in trying to write 20 years of living and breathing this sport day to day within a forum response.

I embarrassed myself by being drawn into reacting, in some of my earlier posts but as I said, I was very frustrated.

I'm really happy that you react in the ways you have described Jerry, I would hope that I'd do the same and defend what I thought was right, I'm also delighted to have more proactive intelligent individuals like yourself coming into our sport.

I wish you all the best with your future training and or spectating and if I can be of any assistance then I will try my best to do that

Cheers

Neil

ps. I'm not a REAL King, my forum name is meant to be humorous & is linked to my Regal middle name (for which I've had quite a bit of stick over the years) however I don't have a Palace & I don't have Purple Velvet Robes or a Crown.....I do have a pretty impressive Purple Helmet but thats where I top out

Nasty.......

Joking aside Mark, its HONESTLY not meant to be mate & I genuinely apologize if thats how its perceived.

I was actually trying to get across the point that the more inexperienced guys that first get into the sport may feel that they have got a lot of quick fixes to issues without firstly taking the time to fully appreciate the things on which they are commenting.

Its like trying to fix a car when your not yet a mechanic, you would really struggle until you learnt how the car actually worked, then you may be the best mechanic in the World BUT the point is there are no short cuts, you would need to understand how the car worked IF you truly wanted to be able to fix it.

Again apologies if my post is open to wider misinterpretation than I'd anticipated, I really have nothing at all against Jerry, he might be a great bloke, I don't know the man, similarly he obviously doesn't know me either.

Really not meant to be derogatory just stating the truth of the situation, frustration can often created amongst those who truly understand when comments are made loudly by those who clearly do not

Regards

Neil

haha Chill out bro, i didn't mean Nasty, just a figure of speech.
You don't have to correct yourself for anyone CHAMP, i know it was
a joke lol.
Your comment was spot on.

Iam feeling some love has come back to the board

haha absolutely m8, your all a bunch of top blokes.
Now i'm off before people think i'm getting soft.

I think that The British should be down south in or near London 2011.

The Power wrote:

Wow, some strong words there MOOCH. My point of view is that its ok to voice your opinion by all means but at least know what your talkin about first and have the balls to identify yourself

I think that the MOOCH has a valid point All people should weigh In on the day in front of a neutral person and this stops all negative actions !!
End Of situation !!

If people can't have a point of view without having a lot of stress then no wonder they stay anonymous !!!!

Rod wrote:
I think that The British should be down south in or near London 2011.

Why m8
The location has been set and Scotland wants in on the action.
Or is that the action in Scotland?

rodrambo wrote:

The Power wrote:

Wow, some strong words there MOOCH. My point of view is that its ok to voice your opinion by all means but at least know what your talkin about first and have the balls to identify yourself

I think that the MOOCH has a valid point All people should weigh In on the day in front of a neutral person and this stops all negative actions !!
End Of situation !!

If people can't have a point of view without having a lot of stress then no wonder they stay anonymous !!!!

Fair point Rod. I think THE MOOCH should of come on the forum with a different attitude and maybe people would of taken his points a bit more seriously

Rod wrote:
The Power wrote:Wow, some strong words there MOOCH. My point of view is that its ok to voice your opinion by all means but at least know what your talkin about first and have the balls to identify yourself I think that the MOOCH has a valid point All people should weigh In on the day in front of a neutral person and this stops all negative actions !!End Of situation !!If people can't have a point of view without having a lot of stress then no wonder they stay anonymous !!!!

Not in this case pal, what started as a simple topic soon got VERY
out of hand.
MOOCH raised a 1 or 2 fair points but instead of accepting he wasn't experienced
enough to debate them, prefered to continue by making accusations and
by doing so obviously pissed a lot of people off.
On top of that wouldn't accept the given reasons for how some features
of the british had been conducted.
(NEXT POST)

It's exactly as Peter says, if he had approached us with a different attitude
then i'm sure the response would have been different.
I'm sorry pal but nobody can slander anyone in the a.w community and
expect them to sit back sucking they're thumb and say O.K.
This guy insults us by calling me and others arse lickers
and STILL doesn't have the balls to identify himself.
Nick has already asked us to refrain from posting anything untoward with
regard to this post and it is because of my respect for him i will do so.
The MOOCH chooses to remain anonymous and we will treat him as such.
(A NOBODY)

“All people should weigh in on the day in front of a neutral person and this stops all the negative actions !!”

Wasn’t going to post further, but wanted to say great to have such an arm wrestling legend posting here... Saw a BBC documentary... Very inspirational and God bless!


My final note on other comments people have written: Before people start to cast stones at 'THE MOOCH,' from all I have read, no one has come out smelling of roses...

Hmmmmm

More than one legend on this forum
NEIL PICKUP, PAUL MAIDEN, HALL BRO'S and THE DADDY (ALLAN GREAVES)

Hi Jerry

you are correct myself and others let ourselves down when we got distracted and entered such a feeble discussion totally going of topic,and for my part I did appolgise and remain sorry.

I also think your not just a nobody in the sport and that's all I have to say about that

I also do like to read your thoughts there very interesting and I hope to see you follow up on other topics in the future

*ANGIE* wrote:

More than one legend on this forum
NEIL PICKUP, PAUL MAIDEN, HALL BRO'S and THE DADDY (ALLAN GREAVES)

Thanks Angie but my legend status is not yet deserved

Hi Rod,

With regards to the location of the British, I appreciate your feelings that the British should be held in the South in 2011 I expect that most people in the South would prefer the event to be Southern based next year too, as you know the BAF British Nationals were held at "The Lakeside Centre" in Thurrock for four years up to 2008 (2 years at least from the four, I'm aware that you attended to spectate) that venue is still utilized in order to Promote the professional format of the sport which is more suited to the venue.

This year however there was clearly a need to redress the balance in terms of Major events held in the North, as only the ARM WARS "LEGACY" (a Professional Show) had been based up North so far (at Trafford Centre, Manchester).

ARM WARS "POWERPLAY" (Sports Cafe, Heymarket, Central London) - January 2010 - obviously you competed in that event.

ARM WARS "TRIPLE ExXxCEL" (Excel Centre, London Docklands) - May 2010 - you were invited to compete here but you were unable to do so.

I am sure that you can appreciate that there has to be a balance in where the Major UK Armwrestling events take place.

As for you feelings on THE MOOCH I guess we are gonna have to agree to disagree there mate.

Usually people who remain anonymous do so because they have an inner awareness of the fact that their intentions are underhand, for example a postman walks up to your door, knocks on it and openly hands you your mail, whilst a cat burglar sneaks around the back of your property under cover of darkness and tries to take your possessions without you ever knowing his identity. You are unlikely to be upset at the postman (unless he is folding over your lass on the QT of course) but most right thinking men would feel inclined to want to break their Foot off in the Burglars Ass.............and the Burglar knows that THATS why he doesn't knock first !

You may know THE MOOCH and he may be a really Good Bloke.......but the problem is that the lads on the forum don't know that.......they have no idea who he is......because he won't tell anyone you see.

In terms of the manner in which the weigh-ins are conducted as I have already clarified on a few occasions now, there is no need whatsoever to change the format and timings of the weigh-ins as they reflect the structure of the EAF and WAF weigh-ins.

This year in December I will travel to Las Vegas, to compete in the WAF World Armwrestling Championships 2010 in Mesquite, I will compete in the Mens Left Hand Seniors and the Mens Right Hand Seniors at either -90kg or -100kg, as you can see from the link below here is the Agenda and structure for the WAF Worlds. You will note that the weigh-ins are on Tuesday, my first day of competition in the Mens Left Hand Seniors will be on Friday. Hopefully this ends this particular recurring point :-

http://www.2010usaworlds.com/agenda.html

Agenda:


Saturday & Sunday (December 4th & 5th)
Team Arrivals - Transportation Available

Monday (December 6th)
9:00 a.m. to 1:00 p.m. - Team Registration
10:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. - Referee Seminar
5:00 p.m. to 7:00 p.m. - Continental Meetings

Tuesday (December 7th)
8:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. - Country Weigh-ins
6:00 p.m. to 10:00 p.m. - Congress Meeting

Wednesday (December 8th)
Casa Blanca Convention Center
9:00 a.m. to 10:00 a.m. - Opening Ceremonies
Left Hand Juniors
Left Hand Masters
Left Hand Grand Masters
Left Hand Ultra Grand Master Left Hand Disabled Awards Ceremony

Thursday (December 9th)
Casa Blanca Convention Center
9:00 a.m. - Right Hand Juniors
Right Hand Masters
Right Hand Grand Masters
Right Hand Ultra Grand Master
Right Hand Disabled Awards Ceremony

Friday (December 10th)
Casa Blanca Convention Center
9:00 a.m. - Senior Left Hand Classes
Awards Ceremony

Saturday (December 11th)
Casa Blanca Convention center
9:00 a.m. - Senior Right Hand Classes
End of tournament
9:00 p.m. - Party

Sunday (December 12th)
December 12th Team Departures


I hope that your training is going well

Cheers

Neil [left]

Neil interesting story behind the postman and burglar wonder who you mean

Also does that mean that if were pulling on the Sunday we are able to weigh in Thursday m8? That's as I understand it now?
Thanks

paul maiden wrote:

Hi Jerry

you are correct myself and others let ourselves down when we got distracted and entered such a feeble discussion totally going of topic,and for my part I did appolgise and remain sorry.

I also think your not just a nobody in the sport and that's all I have to say about that

I also do like to read your thoughts there very interesting and I hope to see you follow up on other topics in the future

Hi Paul / Jerry,

Once again finally and for absolute clarity on this, whilst Jerry was offended by my earlier post and it was clearly misinterpreted to some extent (possibly due to my poor writing of the post) I do not think that Jerry is a nobody in the sport of Armwrestling, I think he is a new comer to the sport who is lacking wider experience at this stage..................because thats exactly what he is, Jerry is a new guy to the sport of Armwrestling and I found his comments reflected that fact.

Regards

Neil [left]

paul maiden wrote:

Neil interesting story behind the postman and burglar wonder who you mean

Also does that mean that if were pulling on the Sunday we are able to weigh in Thursday m8? That's as I understand it now?
Thanks

Hi Paul,

In answer to your question theoretically yes you could conduct the weigh-ins on a Thursday night and still be within the guidelines of the EAF / WAF however the reality of the situation here in relation to the BAF Nationals is that due to the fact that everyone has to earn a living (hence the event being run at the weekend) the earliest day on which we would realistically seek to conduct the weigh-ins would be the earliest available weekend slot, allowing for peoples work commitments / restrictions. Friday Night weigh-in for a Sunday event would be within the EAF / WAF guidelines and may well be viable for people prepared to travel to the location of the tournament scale.

To make this clear we are travelling to Mesquite USA for Worlds and can weigh in any time up to the day before the class in which we are going to pull (as long as pre arranged with WAF) however we can weigh in as early as Tuesday at the allocated Country weigh in time (even though we don't pull until Friday) however the scales can't come to us, they are in Mesquite, Nevada, USA (just one set of tournament scales) IF we want to weigh in on Tuesday therefore then thats where we must go to do so.

Hopefully that makes things clear

Cheers

Neil