BAF BRITISH CHAMPIONSHIPS 2011 DATE & VENUE CONFIRMED

KING EDWARD wrote:

paul maiden wrote:

Hi Jerry

you are correct myself and others let ourselves down when we got distracted and entered such a feeble discussion totally going of topic,and for my part I did appolgise and remain sorry.

I also think your not just a nobody in the sport and that's all I have to say about that

I also do like to read your thoughts there very interesting and I hope to see you follow up on other topics in the future

Hi Paul / Jerry,

Once again finally and for absolute clarity on this, whilst Jerry was offended by my earlier post and it was clearly misinterpreted to some extent (possibly due to my poor writing of the post) I do not think that Jerry is a nobody in the sport of Armwrestling, I think he is a new comer to the sport who is lacking wider experience at this stage..................because thats exactly what he is, Jerry is a new guy to the sport of Armwrestling and I found his

comments reflected that fact.

Neil
I wasn't insisting you thought jerry was a nobody at all pal,please don't think I did,I was saying I beleive that jerry has a little bit more knowledge about the sport than meets the eye,especially after making the BBC legend comment now legend is a big word in armwrestling has we all no

Regards

Neil [left]

paul maiden wrote:

KING EDWARD wrote:

paul maiden wrote:

Hi Jerry

you are correct myself and others let ourselves down when we got distracted and entered such a feeble discussion totally going of topic,and for my part I did appolgise and remain sorry.

I also think your not just a nobody in the sport and that's all I have to say about that

I also do like to read your thoughts there very interesting and I hope to see you follow up on other topics in the future

Hi Paul / Jerry,

Once again finally and for absolute clarity on this, whilst Jerry was offended by my earlier post and it was clearly misinterpreted to some extent (possibly due to my poor writing of the post) I do not think that Jerry is a nobody in the sport of Armwrestling, I think he is a new comer to the sport who is lacking wider experience at this stage..................because thats exactly what he is, Jerry is a new guy to the sport of Armwrestling and I found his

comments reflected that fact.

Neil
I wasn't insisting you thought jerry was a nobody at all pal,please don't think I did,I was saying I beleive that jerry has a little bit more knowledge about the sport than meets the eye,especially after making the BBC legend comment now legend is a big word in armwrestling has we all no

Regards

Neil [left]

No worries Paul,

Rod Linette's been a very VERY talented Armwrestler indeed throughout his career, undoutedly one of the best UK athletes of all time and its good to see him pulling well again.

I haven't actually seen Rod's documentary, I'd love to see it to be honest

Cheers

Paul

For some reason on my last post it stayed in green and I can't seem to remove it,

Also yes I understand the weigh in system and your explanation fri for a Sunday event would be great and well within the rules of the waf and eaf but to weigh at the venue wouldn't be fair for people across country could we solve this problom?
Thanks

I said my last post would be my very last post, but wanted to finally add...

“I was saying I believe that Jerry has a little bit more knowledge about the sport than meets the eye,especially after making the BBC legend comment now legend is a big word in armwrestling.”

Cheers Paul. Much appreciated... Yes, I’ve watched a lot of power/sports programmes over the years... I also remember, if I recall correctly, Rod Lenette, Mick Fielding and another tall guy on a programme computer gameshow called ‘Games Master’ about fifteen to eighteen years back... I have a sort of photograph memory, but anyway, Dominik Diamond was the presenter (he was the host before Dexter Fletcher)... Mick went first, then the tall guy, then Rod. They were playing on some arm wrestling machine... Great stuff... Cutting to the chase, the arm wrestling machine put up a very poor performance to tell you the truth... Didn’t stand a chance against anyone of them... Good entertainment though...

Talking of other power programmes, was also a fan of the Sky TV show 'Britain’s Hardest' – with Steve McFadden (Phil Mitchell) as presenter. Was on a few years back... Missed the grand finals due to time conflicts, but watched most of the round 1 programmes... I think it was Andy Barker who got really close to qualifying for the grand final. Made it to the final two, but lost out 2 to 1 in falls - though I thought he had it with getting the first fall, but he just lost out, which was unlucky... And if I remember correctly, it was Neil holding the car...and that’s where he went out... Not lack of strength, but the wrong technique – he held the car head on, rather than using the squat position... I think to make things worse, the very next event was a grip contest holding a wheel...! Ah well... There was also a young guy on there called Leroy in another one of the round 1 shows (wasn’t an arm wrestler) - but he was broadly built and very strong... One of the rounds he was folding the top of the car doors as though they were cheese sticks...and he had to push the car under the horizontal barrier... He got through to grand final, but as mentioned, unfortunately didn’t see it, so not sure if he won... Anyway, finally signing off and the best of wrist curling to you all....

Regards
Jerry

jerryarmmaster wrote:

I said my last post would be my very last post, but wanted to finally add...

“I was saying I believe that Jerry has a little bit more knowledge about the sport than meets the eye,especially after making the BBC legend comment now legend is a big word in armwrestling.”

Cheers Paul. Much appreciated... Yes, I’ve watched a lot of power/sports programmes over the years... I also remember, if I recall correctly, Rod Lenette, Mick Fielding and another tall guy on a programme computer gameshow called ‘Games Master’ about fifteen to eighteen years back... I have a sort of photograph memory, but anyway, Dominik Diamond was the presenter (he was the host before Dexter Fletcher)... Mick went first, then the tall guy, then Rod. They were playing on some arm wrestling machine... Great stuff... Cutting to the chase, the arm wrestling machine put up a very poor performance to tell you the truth... Didn’t stand a chance against anyone of them... Good entertainment though...

Talking of other power programmes, was also a fan of the Sky TV show Britain’s Got Hardest – with Phil Mitchell as presenter. Was on a few years back... Missed the grand finals due to time conflicts, but watched most of the round 1 programmes... I think it was Andy Barker who got really close to qualifying for the grand final. Made it to the final two, but lost out 2 to 1 in falls - though I thought he had it with getting the first fall, but he just lost out, which was unlucky... And if I remember correctly, it was Neil holding the car...and that’s where he went out... Not lack of strength, but the wrong technique – he held the car head on, rather than using the squat position... I think to make things worse, the very next event was a grip contest holding a wheel...! Ah well... There was also a young guy on there called Leroy in another one of the round 1 shows (wasn’t an arm wrestler) - but he was broadly built and very strong... One of the rounds he was folding the top of the car doors as though they were cheese sticks...and he had to push the car under the horizontal barrier... He got through to grand final, but as mentioned, unfortunately didn’t see it, so not sure if he won... Anyway, finally signing off and the best of wrist curling to you all....

Regards
Jerry

Hi Jerry,

The Games Master thing was actually before Mick Fielding's time or indeed young Mr. Maidens lol

The lads featured in that were :

Tony "The Lunatic" Dure, one of Britains Top Lightweights for many years back in the late 80's and early 90's.

Rod "Rambo" Linette (whom you obviously are aware of)

"Bad News" Robert Brown, one of Britain's Top Super Heavyweights and Former W.A.F. World Championships Silver Medallist in Edmonton Canada 1993

They all scored "TO STRONG TO MEASURE !!!" lol

For info Leroy, didn't do too well in the Final of "Britain's Hardest" he went out in the third round I think.........it was eventually won by a Welsh Fireman / Amateur Boxer.

Steve Rogers, Andy Barker, Kevin Callaby and myself were all selected for Britain's Hardest......GREAT FUN !!! Andy did really well and was robbed, the rest of us got whipped

Cheers

Neil

Paul you may not have won a world championship but that doesn't
make you any less of a legend.
I've given the illustration of Jimmy White before.
He has NEVER won a world championship in his sport nor has he Ever
been ranked as world No1 but undoubtedly he is a legend here and abroad.
Another example Ivan Lendl who NEVER won a Wimbledon grand slam but made
uncountable finals.
You fall into this category, Angie is spot on.

anyway back to topic

best 2 posts are by dan and paul about finances membership wise and makin the baf pay for itself, so lets talk about that instead of mega long posts that just bog the thread down

SO cmon guys lets have ur ideas and lets make the BAF better for everyone involved


ANYWAY has anyone thought of trying for lottery funding

Very curious....................

12 month contracts to be signed by wrestlers agreeing to a membership and a fee via direct debt maybe

God of War wrote:

Paul you may not have won a world championship but that doesn't
make you any less of a legend.
I've given the illustration of Jimmy White before.
He has NEVER won a world championship in his sport nor has he Ever
been ranked as world No1 but undoubtedly he is a legend here and abroad.
Another example Ivan Lendl who NEVER won a Wimbledon grand slam but made
uncountable finals.
You fall into this category, Angie is spot on.

Thanks Mark
good example i loved jimmy white lol

Myself,Mark,Nick and Dan have given our services if required by Neil and the Pullers its up to those now if they want to push forward with any of the ideas

If not then this thread should end now has its pointless and nothing will come of it so other avenues need to be explored

I guess to push this forward, all the pullers need to know what the benefits are going to be if a committee is formed and what differences this will make to the status quo. I guess the idea is to drum up more membership and interaction with the BAF etc?

Leon wrote:

I guess to push this forward, all the pullers need to know what the benefits are going to be if a committee is formed and what differences this will make to the status quo. I guess the idea is to drum up more membership and interaction with the BAF etc?

Well Leon
that all depends on the members to bud at the end of the day the members are the BAF the committee the foundation without the pullers there is no BAF no eurosport no armwrestling,it can get as big has the effort made to support it there is no doubt that Neil has done a great one man job and far better than any other single person i can think of but in his own addmittance eurosport his,Neils baby and what he wants to push,now to me it makes sense that help be given to the BAF.

If done correctly Leon we could acheive alot but it will take imo a dedicated team and a patient membership to build a solid home,myself and dan have mentioned money making ideas which there is no reason it cant easily be acheived,again it depends on many factors and what the members want? its endless as the BAF grows so would the benfits for all to see.we could send a team out abroad from money raised not the worlds or euros right away but smaller comps like pascals or big willys we could see what the BAF have to spend and do a raffle paying for flights for the membership for as many people its possible for ofcourse this isnt something to look right away but again its certainly acheivable in the 2nd year when more comps run by the BAF can fill the calendar,1 south,1 midlands and 1 as far north as scotland and then the british would pack the year along with Neils eurosport and make alot of the ideas put forward very very poosible and not just for the elite guys,ofcourse again this would have to go past any panel the members choose to represent them.

DUPLICATE POST.
please see below.

I guess one of the best ways to find out would be to get two, maybe three people to send out texts or emails to each person involved in arm wrestling. In that text, ask them if they would be prepared to pay £25 or £30 for membership(briefly outlining the benefits), and you have your first solid forecast of membership revenue...

Perhaps, I am getting too complex on the following point, but here’s an additional thought. Perhaps offer three tiers of membership – BRONZE, SILVER, GOLD.

Bronze membership fee (£15). No discount for BAF regional/competition fees (or perhaps a very small discount). Aimed at those whom don’t wish to compete, as not everyone interested in arm wrestling has to be an arm wrestler. These may be other family members or people/new comers whom just want to be involved in knowing what’s going on/be a part of the BAF community and have a say in how things are run and maybe also receive information.

Silver membership (£25 cost). As above, but a greater discount at national competitions, so more suited for the arm wrestling competitor.

Gold membership (£30 cost). For the pro- armwrestler. As above, but offering the greatest discount in regards to BAF regional & national competitions. (Also, best to keep the gold to silver membership cost at a smaller gap, as members will then more than likely opt for the gold membership). Gold membership would be suited for people who regularly attend competitions (the pro armwrestlers), or at least several competitions at pro or novice level.

Also, at any time during the year, bronze or silver members can upgrade their membership to any one they choose. Of course, juniors, and those over sixty would have a discounted rate.

Just some thoughts.

Of course, more soft/subtle marketing techniques could be applied with regards to those looking for bronze memberships (those currently outside of the armwrestling arena), if there are enough beneficial/ salient points to sell the product...

As mentioned, just some points to chew over... Hope too the committee ideas comes into fruition.

All the best and keep pro-active.


Jerry.

Rod said:

“I think that the MOOCH has a valid point All people should weigh In on the day in front of a neutral person and this stops all negative actions !!
End Of situation !!”
If people can't have a point of view without having a lot of stress then no wonder they stay anonymous !!!!

Neil said:

“You may know THE MOOCH and he may be a really Good Bloke.......but the problem is that the lads on the forum don't know that.......they have no idea who he is......because he won't tell anyone you see.”

May I say, the response given was uncalled for, and please let me say why...

By writing ‘you may know the MOOCH’ played like an obvious attempt to throw a line into a pond to wait and measure the response (if any), which in my opinion was below the belt. What you undertake by conducting this, is questioning that person’s integrity. If you have admiration and respect for another person, you should never do this. Rather than bring into question his character, in my opinion, it does the opposite and casts a shadow over the questioner.

Speaking as an educated person I would surmise the very last person whom is most likely to even know the MOOCH (if anyone did know him) would be the person whom had the robustness to make such comment.... A justifiable point was made about the weigh in, and no doubt there are others whom share this too (but perhaps do not wish to disclose it)... Someone who’s been in arm wrestling for as long as he has and what he has been through, he doesn’t even need to do what you has been subtly insinuated... He can make any comment on his own – and which indeed he did...

A lot of arm wrestlers are simply keeping away from making the simplest of comments because they don't want to say anything that could be met with the same subtle accusations or perhaps even more direct ones... But credit to Rod for having the resolve to say this point and the decorous behaviour to not follow up a response on it, as it’s all becoming too inflammatory...


I may not have been a poster on this forum for long, and I may not be an arm wrestler, but what I do know is that you can tell a lot about a person in not just what they say, but in how they write and the words in which they are conveyed... If this is how one treats an established competitor, then I myself, am questioning why am I having an interest in this sport... I am astonished... (I was also appreciative of the armwrestling talents of Dean Watson over the years and it would be great to see him back), but with all that’s gone on, I think it best I gage my interest in a more amicable sport. There is too great an undercurrent of distrust being misplaced.

Jerry.

THE MOOCH wrote:

anyway back to topic

best 2 posts are by dan and paul about finances membership wise and makin the baf pay for itself, so lets talk about that instead of mega long posts that just bog the thread down

SO cmon guys lets have ur ideas and lets make the BAF better for everyone involved


ANYWAY has anyone thought of trying for lottery funding

How much money would you charge the athletes for Membership Mooch ?

Would it be as high as £50.............or maybe £100 ?

Then how many events would you have per annum ?

How would they be funded ?

How would they be run ?

Just a couple of questions, I am genuinely interested in the answers.

Lets say you charge £50 or £100 per annum then thats around £2,500 or £5,000 pounds respectively IF of course the circa 50 athletes who entered this years British all agrred to pay.

New Members would be very hard to find based on that rate of membership I expect BUT ya never know.

Lets say they pay £50 or £100 pounds membership, what would they get for that and how would it be financed and managed ?

Could you put an approximate cost against each element required ?

Cheers

Neil

jerryarmmaster wrote:

Rod said:

“I think that the MOOCH has a valid point All people should weigh In on the day in front of a neutral person and this stops all negative actions !!
End Of situation !!”
If people can't have a point of view without having a lot of stress then no wonder they stay anonymous !!!!

Neil said:

“You may know THE MOOCH and he may be a really Good Bloke.......but the problem is that the lads on the forum don't know that.......they have no idea who he is......because he won't tell anyone you see.”

May I say, the response given was uncalled for, and please let me say why...

By writing ‘you may know the MOOCH’ played like an obvious attempt to throw a line into a pond to wait and measure the response (if any), which in my opinion was below the belt. What you undertake by conducting this, is questioning that person’s integrity. If you have admiration and respect for another person, you should never do this. Rather than bring into question his character, in my opinion, it does the opposite and casts a shadow over the questioner.

Speaking as an educated person I would surmise the very last person whom is most likely to even know the MOOCH (if anyone did know him) would be the person whom had the robustness to make such comment.... A justifiable point was made about the weigh in, and no doubt there are others whom share this too (but perhaps do not wish to disclose it)... Someone who’s been in arm wrestling for as long as he has and what he has been through, he doesn’t even need to do what you has been subtly insinuated... He can make any comment on his own – and which indeed he did...

A lot of arm wrestlers are simply keeping away from making the simplest of comments because they don't want to say anything that could be met with the same subtle accusations or perhaps even more direct ones... But credit to Rod for having the resolve to say this point and the decorous behaviour to not follow up a response on it, as it’s all becoming too inflammatory...


I may not have been a poster on this forum for long, and I may not be an arm wrestler, but what I do know is that you can tell a lot about a person in not just what they say, but in how they write and the words in which they are conveyed... If this is how one treats an established competitor, then I myself, am questioning why am I having an interest in this sport... I am astonished... (I was also appreciative of the armwrestling talents of Dean Watson over the years and it would be great to see him back), but with all that’s gone on, I think it best I gage my interest in a more amicable sport. There is too great an undercurrent of distrust being misplaced.

Jerry.

After reading that post Jerry, I'd wholeheartedly agree mate, you probably should look for another sport as you obviously don't understand nor care about this one.

Lets be honest here you are clearly not really concerned about the furtherment of Armwrestling it this country or any other Jerry, every 2 minutes you are questioning whether you should have any interest in the sport.

I actually think that you are intent on being purposely divisive and that you will deliberately misinterpret things as much as possible, that is your choice.

You are obviously a Big fan of Rod's thats great, Rod's a good puller but don't start imagining any personal attacks on Rod's character by myself as Rod himself would tell you IF I had any issues with Rod or he with myself we have known each other for enough years to simply call one another and discuss it.

The truth is that you would be automatically offended if I wore the wrong coloured socks Jerry and for that reason more than any other I have lost interest in you mate.

YOU DON'T LIKE ME !!! in your opinion I'm a horrible man with no interest in anything or anybody but myself............there we got that one out of the way.

As for knowing anything about me from how I write, yes I am sure you will get a flavour of course so I hope that you are reading this and interpreting it correctly.

If you want to know what I'm like as a person then perhaps come and speak to me in person on occasion, maybe at an event and you will possibly understand more about me, the majority of the lads on this forum know far more about me than you apparently do Jerry, they speak to me regularly, have trained with me and some have even travelled around the World with me competing in this sport.

Some may think I am not their Barrow as a bloke, others might think that I'm not a Bad lad, I am sure there are a mixture of both, either way I'm up the front and on full view in terms of my character, I don't suggest in a veiled manner I state what my opinions are, the men and women involved in the sport will already have formed their own opinions of me over the years that we have all known one another.

There is no undercurrent of mistrust in the sport, only what you want to imagine or have been told about by others whom are either jealous or have their own agenda's, I am not foolish enough to have missed recognizing who those individuals are Jerry and I also appreciate why, I find it quite sad in truth and its certainly not beneficial for our sport but the individuals I'm referring to are not really too concerned about that to be honest, its not about Armwrestling its all about them.

Armwrestling as a sport normally enjoys tremendous camaraderie within its ranks, we have A LOT OF GREAT GUYS in this spot, which was actually displayed at this years ARM WARS "LEGACY" as well as THE BRITISH, the pullers get on well, they train together, many go out socially together.

You clearly don't see that and want it not to be the case for some reason.

I don't know you Jerry and I don't know why ? you would have to explain that one to me, in your next, last post

Cheers

Neil "The ORRIBLE"

Following on from earlier posts...

If you're going to ask people to pay an amount of money to join 'the club', you need to be crystal clear on the benefits! what is the money paying for? why should i join?

I'm not trying to draw comparisons, but when I pay my 30 quid annual fee to the British Judo Association, I know that I'm getting big benefits like qualified coaching and insurance, plus the smaller things like a quarterly magazine and regular updates via newsletter, email etc. Clearly the BJA is a huge (profit making) organisation and as I said, shouldn't be compared to the BAF, but just to give some idea on what other organisations do for there members.

I also think that lottery funding is defo worth a shout. Afterall, I bet the tax payers money has spent of more ellaborate schemes in the past. Arm-wrestling is one of the few sports that can done, by everyone & anyone. The investment would be in the infrastructure, as the platform already exists. Every school should have an AW table

Sponsorship from companies inside & outside the strenght world is also needed. I'm not expecting a call from redbull just yet, but our sport has got to tick the right boxes for potential investors.

Good post JudoBoy

We are on the same page in more than a few areas mate

Cheers

Neil

KING EDWARD wrote:

THE MOOCH wrote:

anyway back to topic

best 2 posts are by dan and paul about finances membership wise and makin the baf pay for itself, so lets talk about that instead of mega long posts that just bog the thread down

SO cmon guys lets have ur ideas and lets make the BAF better for everyone involved


ANYWAY has anyone thought of trying for lottery funding

How much money would you charge the athletes for Membership Mooch ?

Would it be as high as £50.............or maybe £100 ?

Then how many events would you have per annum ?

How would they be funded ?

How would they be run ?

Just a couple of questions, I am genuinely interested in the answers.

Lets say you charge £50 or £100 per annum then thats around £2,500 or £5,000 pounds respectively IF of course the circa 50 athletes who entered this years British all agrred to pay.

New Members would be very hard to find based on that rate of membership I expect BUT ya never know.

Lets say they pay £50 or £100 pounds membership, what would they get for that and how would it be financed and managed ?

Could you put an approximate cost against each element required ?

Cheers

Neil

JUST look at dan and pauls post gives a good idea of thoughts on it

instead of these boring mega posts how about chippin in with some good ideas urself instead of all the negativity

judoboy wrote:

Following on from earlier posts...

If you're going to ask people to pay an amount of money to join 'the club', you need to be crystal clear on the benefits! what is the money paying for? why should i join?

I'm not trying to draw comparisons, but when I pay my 30 quid annual fee to the British Judo Association, I know that I'm getting big benefits like qualified coaching and insurance, plus the smaller things like a quarterly magazine and regular updates via newsletter, email etc. Clearly the BJA is a huge (profit making) organisation and as I said, shouldn't be compared to the BAF, but just to give some idea on what other organisations do for there members.

I also think that lottery funding is defo worth a shout. Afterall, I bet the tax payers money has spent of more ellaborate schemes in the past. Arm-wrestling is one of the few sports that can done, by everyone & anyone. The investment would be in the infrastructure, as the platform already exists. Every school should have an AW table

Sponsorship from companies inside & outside the strenght world is also needed. I'm not expecting a call from redbull just yet, but our sport has got to tick the right boxes for potential investors.

Hi judoboy

Iam not asking for peolple to join a club, iam asking if they would like a club and for ideas for the club if they have any,the fees if a committe was formed would be used by the elected people i should imagine for paper,stamps,envolpes for the quarterly mag,pay refs,buy trophys,upkeep of internet site,hire rooms,pay insurance but extra comps would have to be added for this we can go on about examples all day long but the fact is there is no committee,no members,so these are just ideas with good intention until people stand up and say yes i want a committee etc.

Myself and Neil had a tele convo today and threw around ideas to eachother we are going to talk down at the rampage on the 27th november when more people are present instead of tip tapping away over this subject anybody who wants a say i suggest you turn up and support the great comp that nick puts on and then say your peice,if not you can pm me

Neil & Paul,
Thanks for the replies guys. To be clear, I think having a club/association with a committee/governing body is a great idea. It's actually essential to growth and will give added credability when talking to potential sponsors, media etc. I'm just putting in my 2 penneth regarding what the members could expect from joining.

I agree that an open forum at Rampage is a good idea. I'm planning to attend, so I'll see you both there.

Regards,
Anthony

Cheers Anthony, will do mate

Neil

Hi
Anthony looking forward to seeing you there

Paul