british ranking

Hi Terry, i'll be happy to help out. I got to most comps anyway, especially any that are held down here, so i'll hapilly help keep records.
Steves idea of weighting is a great one, except not everyone gets to pull Worlds or Europeans so therefore we should only give points domestically. But yes more points for placing at the British.
Perhaps we should have a seeding system where certain pullers are worth x amount of points and a win over them gives you more points, like FIFA do for football rankings. Brasil are seeded highest so a win over them gains you more points.
We can decide this based on the previous years winners in their weight at the British.
So, British champion is worth 50 points, runner up = 40, 3rd = 30, a win over any of these will be worth their points so If Steve beats Craig, he is awarded 50 points towards his ranking as well as points gained for winning the comp.
So my list for seeding points for 2010 based on last years positons would be


65kg
Ted = 50 points
Ian = 40
Chris Waters = 30

70kg
Steve = 50
Chris Ham = 40
Baz = 30

75kg
Rod Lenette = 50
Peter Burnell = 40
Paul Waters = 30

80kg
Craig = 50
Chris Rimmer = 40
Robert Meakin = 30

85kg
Andy = 50
Keith - 40
Terry = 30

90kg
Dale Aston = 50
Dan Thomas = 40

100kg
Nez = 50
Stan = 40
Nick = 30

100+
Alan = 50
Marvin = 40
Gary Rickets = 30

I have only done the right hand, but you all get the picture.

For smaller comps where it is not possible to have all the different weight classes and we have 65kg pullers mixed in with the 70kg guys, the full points will still be awarded to the lower weight puller if they finish higher than anyone else from their class in the mixed category,
eg if the results are Steve R 1st, Chris H 2nd, Ted 3rd, Baz 4th, Ian 5th the points will be awarded as such
Steve 20, Chris 18, Ted 20, Baz 16, Ian 18 Plus points for beating the seeded pullers.

I know it can be complicated but i'll happily collate the scores to post at a later date.

dan wrote:

Hi Terry, i'll be happy to help out. I got to most comps anyway, especially any that are held down here, so i'll hapilly help keep records.
Steves idea of weighting is a great one, except not everyone gets to pull Worlds or Europeans so therefore we should only give points domestically. But yes more points for placing at the British.
Perhaps we should have a seeding system where certain pullers are worth x amount of points and a win over them gives you more points, like FIFA do for football rankings. Brasil are seeded highest so a win over them gains you more points.
We can decide this based on the previous years winners in their weight at the British.
So, British champion is worth 50 points, runner up = 40, 3rd = 30, a win over any of these will be worth their points so If Steve beats Craig, he is awarded 50 points towards his ranking as well as points gained for winning the comp.
So my list for seeding points for 2010 based on last years positons would be


65kg
Ted = 50 points
Ian = 40
Chris Waters = 30

70kg
Steve = 50
Chris Ham = 40
Baz = 30

75kg
Rod Lenette = 50
Peter Burnell = 40
Paul Waters = 30

80kg
Craig = 50
Chris Rimmer = 40
Robert Meakin = 30

85kg
Andy = 50
Keith - 40
Terry = 30

90kg
Dale Aston = 50
Dan Thomas = 40

100kg
Nez = 50
Stan = 40
Nick = 30

100+
Alan = 50
Marvin = 40
Gary Rickets = 30

I have only done the right hand, but you all get the picture.

For smaller comps where it is not possible to have all the different weight classes and we have 65kg pullers mixed in with the 70kg guys, the full points will still be awarded to the lower weight puller if they finish higher than anyone else from their class in the mixed category,
eg if the results are Steve R 1st, Chris H 2nd, Ted 3rd, Baz 4th, Ian 5th the points will be awarded as such
Steve 20, Chris 18, Ted 20, Baz 16, Ian 18 Plus points for beating the seeded pullers.

I know it can be complicated but i'll happily collate the scores to post at a later date.

This is WAY too complicated! What happens if I beat Chris Robert and Craig in one comp?? I get 120 points?? I don't think this system will come out right at all. I think keep it simple and and don't add all this bull...IMO.

So my list for seeding points for 2010 based on last years positons would be good way to start but i think point system need to be in black and white one full page set up with comps bl bl bl bl so people can see how the system works and what point go were , think world puller should get extra point i mean its the world if u get top 2 at brishish and pull world u won that place so i think u should get the points but ill go with what most people think is best , my way of thinking your pulling pro u get top 2 so u can pull worlds u should get extra points

i agree with ste

I'm disappointed I don't rank in the top 3 in the UK but if we're going by attendance etc then that's fair.

terryackers wrote:

So my list for seeding points for 2010 based on last years positons would be good way to start but i think point system need to be in black and white one full page set up with comps bl bl bl bl so people can see how the system works and what point go were , think world puller should get extra point i mean its the world if u get top 2 at brishish and pull world u won that place so i think u should get the points but ill go with what most people think is best , my way of thinking your pulling pro u get top 2 so u can pull worlds u should get extra points

i agree with ste

Agreed. If someone goes to the world's and does well they should get points for this even if someone else can't afford to go. The person who attends shouldn't be penalised just because the other guy/girl can't afford it.

how about i set up a list of all puller in all weight no order to start with then we make the rules as in point were and when then we start from there it will even out and bring the best to the top in time as the system starts to work

100% right ste u make the world u should get extra points then the likes of craig like u say will be up there and the system will reflect true

dean why u not speaking ??????

david horne what do u think

terryackers wrote:

how about i set up a list of all puller in all weight no order to start with then we make the rules as in point were and when then we start from there it will even out and bring the best to the top in time as the system starts to work

Great idea! What are the weight classes?

Sounds like you guys are doing a great job, if nobody comments then i can
assume that they're in agreement with whatever is decided.
I'm sure they'll speak up if thy don't like the idea.

need help putting the list togthere

Terry,
Since you are asking. All sports have rankings.

We have rankings in the grip contests, done on the contests in that year (so a yearly ranking, that is wiped come the new year). The grip association modelled the rankings on the tennis model, meaning there is a far greater amount of points for the top 3 say, and also events fall in between certain levels of importance. It works very well, but we have no weight classes, so we obviously have a wide berth of competitors all vying for the points.

sorry Terry, i wasnt speaking cos i was taking it all in.

All sounds good to me.

what you have suggested is probably a good way to start, Problem appears when pullers cant get to a comp due to various circumstances, and therefore the ranking would not correspond to the pullers ability.

i would run various supermatches between each weight catagory as neil used to do. eg no 1 vs no 2, no 3 v no 4 winner of second match pulls looser of 1st match.. and so on..

surly that gives a more accurate repesentation of ability ?

i understand what u are saying but as arm wresler are year is set out , we just need to put it all down and put a point system up and running , u no as well as i do neils mad busy with euro sports, and we need a way to rank thats easy any the events are set up and we can maybe add to them .

lets put it this way lets try it for a year and ill bet money that the ranking is some were near , ok e.g only if ste roid dose not pull any comps over the year show up at british and win fair plays hes british champ , we can hav a part for e.g top 5 at british in order so people could still see roid is current british champ, but are ranking system is base on people showing up winning the points and ranking were there point fall.


football man utd best club we all no that , but that dose not mean just because there the best club they only have to play 1 game in the football season.

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u see my point if they played 1 yeh they would still be the best team but fact is 3 point will not will win the League they got to go earn the spot no matter what we no there ability is , and i no were not all on 50,000 per week lol

lets just do it 1 step at a time and see were we get , maybe a good way is also each person is aloud to put a
challenge match forward 2 per year 20 point for the winner that way say u look and think fuck me hes beating me , u can use your challenge match and nick a place back.

first ranking point

for a standard comp lets say preston panthers

1st = 20 points
2nd= 18
3rd= 16
4th= 14
5th= 12
6th= 10
7th= 8
6th= 6
7th= 4
8th =2
9th= 1

Not forgetting the ladies here who work just as hard if not harder than some.

its a great idea there could even be a ranking competition/day where the rankings are set combined with the BAF british nationals...... as thats the one EVERYONE is training for and will be at the biggest one for our team in our country.... would be good go for it terry

i know the way it works in sweden..... they have nationals and you can only challenge the person who is one place above you (obviously) and the challenger must go to them infront of the team for a 3 round supermatch

challenger match could be any one maybe 3 place above u ???

terryackers wrote:

lets just do it 1 step at a time and see were we get , maybe a good way is also each person is aloud to put a
challenge match forward 2 per year 20 point for the winner that way say u look and think fuck me hes beating me , u can use your challenge match and nick a place back.

first ranking point

for a standard comp lets say preston panthers

1st = 20 points
2nd= 18
3rd= 16
4th= 14
5th= 12
6th= 10
7th= 8
6th= 6
7th= 4
8th =2
9th= 1

I don't like the challenge match idea (maybe after the 1st year). Let's just keep it simple and choose a few of the main open draw comps per year and this will then give everyone a chance to attend the comps.

I hear you Dean..I wasn't able to attend the British last year and chose not to attend a couple of other comps which means I'm not ranked in the top 3 right now. This will incentivise me to attend more comps next year to get my ranking back! The fact is Clive Ferguson will still give everyone in the <80kg & <75kg classes a whole world of trouble but if he doesn't attend the comps he can't be ranked. Simples

stephenkirlew wrote:

terryackers wrote:

lets just do it 1 step at a time and see were we get , maybe a good way is also each person is aloud to put a
challenge match forward 2 per year 20 point for the winner that way say u look and think fuck me hes beating me , u can use your challenge match and nick a place back.

first ranking point

for a standard comp lets say preston panthers

1st = 20 points
2nd= 18
3rd= 16
4th= 14
5th= 12
6th= 10
7th= 8
6th= 6
7th= 4
8th =2
9th= 1

I don't like the challenge match idea (maybe after the 1st year). Let's just keep it simple and choose a few of the main open draw comps per year and this will then give everyone a chance to attend the comps.

I hear you Dean..I wasn't able to attend the British last year and chose not to attend a couple of other comps which means I'm not ranked in the top 3 right now. This will incentivise me to attend more comps next year to get my ranking back! The fact is Clive Ferguson will still give everyone in the <80kg & <75kg classes a whole world of trouble but if he doesn't attend the comps he can't be ranked. Simples

i agree u must attend or thats your prob

first ranking point

for a standard comp lets say preston panthers

1st = 20 points
2nd= 18
3rd= 16
4th= 14
5th= 12
6th= 10
7th= 8
6th= 6
7th= 4
8th =2
9th= 1

ever one happy with this ???? or not

yup....

Ok, let's simplify, points are earned for placing in comps, you don't pull, you don't get points. If we start everyone from zero the cream will rise to the top.
Will we run a novice rankings or just one all in.
And Steve is right, we'll need to set the weight classes, I think keep them in line with National and WAF classes. It'll keep me in shape for 90's year round
And yes Jo, there will be a ladies ranking.

I think we should start with the Preston comp, then Ted's and take it from there.

question..... so say i enter preston , and finish 9th in the under 70s (as theres not a 65 ) does that give me 9th as an under 65 puller or 9th in the under 70s cos thats wot the comp was ???