BRITISH NOVICE ARMWRESTLING CHAMPIONSHIPS RESULTS - 24TH NOV 2012

B.A.F. BRITISH NOVICE ARMWRESTLING CHAMPIONSHIPS OFFICIAL RESULTS
THE CROFTERS HOTEL - GARSTANG - LANCASHIRE - ENGLAND 24.11.12


MENS RIGHT -70KG

1st JEROME BLOOM - CAMBRIDGE MINOTAURS

2nd JON DOW - SLOUGH

3rd DAN HILL - SLOUGH


LEFT -80KG

1st MINDE PERTIKAS - IRISH STRENGTH ASSOC.

2nd BRADLEY MARTINEZ - "CAMBRIDGE MINOTAURS"

3rd JASON HILL - SLOUGH


MENS RIGHT -90KG

1st SEAN PATERSON - "MILNGAVIE ARMWRESTLING"

2nd GARY BROWNE - SLOUGH

3rd JAMES DOW - SLOUGH

MENS RIGHT -100KG

1st DONALD FRAZER - "MILNGAVIE ARMWRESTLING"

2nd MARK SEVERN - BIRMINGHAM BULLETS

3rd ADAM KACZOR - PRESTON PANTHERS


MENS RIGHT +100KG

1st DONATAS AUGLYS - NEWCASTLE ARMWRESTLING

2nd DANIEL LYNCH - MANCHESTER

3rd ANDY ADSETT - SUSSEX ARMS



MENS LEFT -70KG

1st JON DOW - SLOUGH

2nd DAN HILL - SLOUGH

3rd ERIC SOUTHERN - "PRESTON PANTHERS"


MENS LEFT -80KG

1st MINDE PERTIKAS - IRISH STRENGTH ASSOC.

2nd BRADLEY MARTINEZ - "CAMBRIDGE MINOTAURS"

3rd JASON HILL - SLOUGH


MENS LEFT -90KG

1st PETER BOROWCZAK - "LEIGH PULLING POWER"

2nd SEAN PATERSON - "MILNGAVIE ARMWRESTLING"

3rd JAMES DOW - SLOUGH


MENS LEFT -100KG

1st ADAM KACZOR - PRESTON PANTHERS

2nd ROB BOND - LEIGH ELITE

3rd JOE HIGHAM - PRESTON PANTHERS

MENS LEFT +100KG

1st DANIEL LYNCH - MANCHESTER

2nd DONATAS AUGLYS - NEWCASTLE ARMWRESTLING

3rd ANDY ADSETT - SUSSEX ARMS


FEATURED PROFESSIONAL SUPERMATCHES

6 - CRAIG SANDERS - BIRMINGHAM BULLETS Vs 0 - STEPHEN KIRLEW - M.K.A.F.

6 - ANIL NAJRAN - BIRMINGHAM BULLETS Vs 0 - CHRIS HAM - FREAKSHOP

Didn't Mindle Pertikas win last year too?

Yeah he did says it on the results from last year on this forum, thought if u won u couldnt enter again

I thought the same i'm sure the rules are on here somewhere

ricky wrote:

Didn't Mindle Pertikas win last year too?

Yes Ricky. I remember this guy last year... He looked like a seasoned pro and i remember asking him how long he had been doing it for after he injured Freak's wrist which he replied - since he was 16 and i'm guessing he's well in his thirties. Find it hard to understand why he wants to pull a novice comp and beat all the up and coming guys... He should get down to the British nationals.

Pete Henderson wrote:

ricky wrote:

Didn't Mindle Pertikas win last year too?

Yes Ricky. I remember this guy last year... He looked like a seasoned pro and i remember asking him how long he had been doing it for after he injured Freak's wrist which he replied - since he was 16 and i'm guessing he's well in his thirties. Find it hard to understand why he wants to pull a novice comp and beat all the up and coming guys... He should get down to the British nationals.

I believe Mindle asked us about entering Armageddon - 'The End Is Nigh' (it would have been great to have him along as the comp was open to pullers of any nationality) and he was told he could enter the pro classes.

Interesting to read what I'm assuming is Neil's take on it, having talked with Bradley a little I'm not convinced Neil is accurately representing his take on things!

"The Official ruling is that once you have won the British Novice Championships, then you are unable to pull in the Novice category again "

https://armwrestling.forummotion.com/t3595-professional-novice-armwrestling-evaluated

Just to clarify the situation for all.

It appears that there was an oversight on my part at The British Novice Championships as I missed the fact that Minde Pertikas (who had won last years event) had entered again.

Minde went on to Win a tightly contested Round Robin class after loosing a Battle in the first Round to Bradley Martinez of the Cambridge Minotaurs.

After it was brought to my attention that Minde was a previous winner I offered to Strip Minde Pertikas of the Title & award the win to Martinez. Bradley & Dan Thomas discussed the matter & Dan contacted me to say that Bradley would prefer that not to happen. I respect his decision & as such Minde will not be Stripped of the title.

I have apologised to Bradley & I would also like to apologise to Jay Hill who was the other man on the -80kg class.

I am sure there are those amongst you whom are delighted that this has occurred as it provides you with more opportunities to criticise my failing. Thanks for that lads it's nice to know your still committed.

It's a shame really as the class was a year up & the three lads were clearly nip & tuck in terms of there respective level. That has led me to re evaluate the current rule surrounding Novice status & eligibility however that's for another time.

I am sorry again for the accidental oversight which has taken some of the shine off an otherwise successful & well contested event

Thanks

Neil

KING EDWARD wrote:

Just to clarify the situation for all.

It appears that there was an oversight on my part at The British Novice Championships as I missed the fact that Minde Pertikas (who had won last years event) had entered again.

Minde went on to Win a tightly contested Round Robin class after loosing a Battle in the first Round to Bradley Martinez of the Cambridge Minotaurs.

After it was brought to my attention that Minde was a previous winner I offered to Strip Minde Pertikas of the Title & award the win to Martinez. Bradley & Dan Thomas discussed the matter & Dan contacted me to say that Bradley would prefer that not to happen. I respect his decision & as such Minde will not be Stripped of the title.

I have apologised to Bradley & I would also like to apologise to Jay Hill who was the other man on the -80kg class.

I am sure there are those amongst you whom are delighted that this has occurred as it provides you with more opportunities to criticise my failing. Thanks for that lads it's nice to know your still committed.

It's a shame really as the class was a year up & the three lads were clearly nip & tuck in terms of there respective level. That has led me to re evaluate the current rule surrounding Novice status & eligibility however that's for another time.

I am sorry again for the accidental oversight which has taken some of the shine off an otherwise successful & well contested event

Thanks

Neil

Hey so Thought i would just post to clear this all up. I have had a long chat with Neil about all of this and he has offered me the title as mindle the guy who won this year has won last year also and by the letter of the law he should'nt of entered. This was an oversight and Neil has apologised that this situation has arisen. Neil and my coach dan have advised me that taking this title would not do me any favours as I would no longer be eligible to enter any novice comps again. I feel this would not help me progress as an armwrestler as I need to be pulling guys at a similar level.i do agree with this and also would like to say I would not accept the title on a default basis as I feel I pulled extremely well at comp and beat mindle in the first round twice from fresh anyway so people can make there own mind up who deserves the title or not. I appreciate everyone kind comments and wanting the right descion to be made but I feel that winning by default is not a victory for myself. I will prove that I am worthy of the title and do it with pride not by letter of the law which I'm sure will be made clear from this situation which has occurred.
Cheers bradley

Well said Bradley! . . . RESPECT! . . .

Big respect to Brad. I wouldn't want him to lose the choice because common sense can't prevail, is the suggestion that the guys that walked in on Saturday and won, with no comps ever pulled before or no table time with a club, are now to be considered pro's?
Winning the novice does not make one a pro, i have had a standpoint on this but the reality is, being a big fish in a very small pond doesn't mean you can swim with the sharks when you get out.
To force a situation where Brad cannot choose to pull novice or open is not fair to Brad, his development will stutter and stall if every time he pulls a comp he draws Kirlew or Sanders. At novice he can compete with guys at his level. Get into wars and gain more experience than if his total time at the table against the likes of Craig or Steve amounts to no more than 2-3 seconds.
if we blindly follow the letter of the law you now force guys like Jon Dow to pull against Steve Rogers or Ted Wilson, or Daniel Lynch to pull Alan or Steve Sowah because they turned up to a comp that others could not be bothered to attend and won.
Yes Minde won last year but in the grand scheme of things, he's much more a novice than Brad, who has more comps under his belt and way more time training with experienced pullers. If he has indeed been pulling since he was 16 he would have been a hell of a lot stronger and had a lot more in his arsenal than an OK toproll.

dan wrote:

Big respect to Brad. I wouldn't want him to lose the choice because common sense can't prevail, is the suggestion that the guys that walked in on Saturday and won, with no comps ever pulled before or no table time with a club, are now to be considered pro's?
Winning the novice does not make one a pro, i have had a standpoint on this but the reality is, being a big fish in a very small pond doesn't mean you can swim with the sharks when you get out.
To force a situation where Brad cannot choose to pull novice or open is not fair to Brad, his development will stutter and stall if every time he pulls a comp he draws Kirlew or Sanders. At novice he can compete with guys at his level. Get into wars and gain more experience than if his total time at the table against the likes of Craig or Steve amounts to no more than 2-3 seconds.
if we blindly follow the letter of the law you now force guys like Jon Dow to pull against Steve Rogers or Ted Wilson, or Daniel Lynch to pull Alan or Steve Sowah because they turned up to a comp that others could not be bothered to attend and won.
Yes Minde won last year but in the grand scheme of things, he's much more a novice than Brad, who has more comps under his belt and way more time training with experienced pullers. If he has indeed been pulling since he was 16 he would have been a hell of a lot stronger and had a lot more in his arsenal than an OK toproll.

Interesting to see you taking a different view on the 'novice issue' to the last few times it came up, but understandable under the circumstances.

Re: what level of experience Mindle has, I think Peter already confirmed what Mindle said to him in 2011, and I don't think Peter is telling fibs , also I've seen pics of Mindle online competing in other competitions so I'm not sure you can necessarily make a case for him being "more of a novice than Bradley".

Having pulled Mindle myself, I can tell you at the time I pulled him in 2011 (the final time I pulled a novice event) he was very strong indeed, and stronger than a lot of UK pros at a similar weight. I'm sure some of the other guys who pulled him then would have something to say about what level they thought he was at too. Kudos to Bradley for taking a win off him.

But to be clear, I'm not having a go at Mindle, the "rules" regarding who is eligible for what/when/how/where aren't written down anywhere in a concrete form so you really can't blame Mindle for turning up and pulling if no one stops him.

Leon wrote:

dan wrote:

Big respect to Brad. I wouldn't want him to lose the choice because common sense can't prevail, is the suggestion that the guys that walked in on Saturday and won, with no comps ever pulled before or no table time with a club, are now to be considered pro's?
Winning the novice does not make one a pro, i have had a standpoint on this but the reality is, being a big fish in a very small pond doesn't mean you can swim with the sharks when you get out.
To force a situation where Brad cannot choose to pull novice or open is not fair to Brad, his development will stutter and stall if every time he pulls a comp he draws Kirlew or Sanders. At novice he can compete with guys at his level. Get into wars and gain more experience than if his total time at the table against the likes of Craig or Steve amounts to no more than 2-3 seconds.
if we blindly follow the letter of the law you now force guys like Jon Dow to pull against Steve Rogers or Ted Wilson, or Daniel Lynch to pull Alan or Steve Sowah because they turned up to a comp that others could not be bothered to attend and won.
Yes Minde won last year but in the grand scheme of things, he's much more a novice than Brad, who has more comps under his belt and way more time training with experienced pullers. If he has indeed been pulling since he was 16 he would have been a hell of a lot stronger and had a lot more in his arsenal than an OK toproll.

Interesting to see you taking a different view on the 'novice issue' to the last few times it came up, but understandable under the circumstances.

Re: what level of experience Mindle has, I think Peter already confirmed what Mindle said to him in 2011, and I don't think Peter is telling fibs , also I've seen pics of Mindle online competing in other competitions so I'm not sure you can necessarily make a case for him being "more of a novice than Bradley".

Having pulled Mindle myself, I can tell you at the time I pulled him in 2011 (the final time I pulled a novice event) he was very strong indeed, and stronger than a lot of UK pros at a similar weight. I'm sure some of the other guys who pulled him then would have something to say about what level they thought he was at too. Kudos to Bradley for taking a win off him.

But to be clear, I'm not having a go at Mindle, the "rules" regarding who is eligible for what/when/how/where aren't written down anywhere in a concrete form so you really can't blame Mindle for turning up and pulling if no one stops him.

Leon,

The reason that you found Minde so Strong is because regardless of how you would like to be regonised mate, your level right now is Novice.

Thats not meant to be a derogatory comment although I'm sure you will try to percieve it as such, its a statement of fact in my opinion, either way I couldn't care less.

The other point to note, is that regardless of my own mistakes here & YES I GET IT LEON (you hold me responsible & actually so do I, for want its worth) & you want everyone to understand that it was my fault & make a bigger song & dance about it than the opening number at a BEYONCE GIG ! BUT Minde is a Puller who currently possesses a very Raw, unrefined Top Roll technique and a Novice level of ability, FACT.

That was CLEARLY best illustrated by the fact that Bradley Martinez beat him in their opening Match at this very event, ACTUALLY BY OUT ARMWRESTLING HIM & TRANSITIONING FROM A DEFENSIVE POSTING POSITION. A fact you might have picked up on, had you been more focussed on the actuality of the situation rather than simply stirring up trouble.

I am so tired of loosing focus due to seemingly pedantic, narrow minded, negative individuals like yourself Leon, who constantly just Snipe away, if you spent anywhere near as much time, firstly having the slightest clue of what you are talking about and secondly focussing on doing positive things then everyone would be better off.

You claim to be a fan of Armwrestling BUT you are a misguided fool who utilizes his energy to try to be devisive based around any scraps you can uncover.

Your comments above for example....the post I made stated the facts, I cocked up & missed Minde had won the event previously - Minde won - I offered to strip him of the title as a result - Bradley & Dan didn't feel that was necessary. I have nothing to hide here & despite your doubting post above it appears that I CLEARLY DID ACTUALLY REFLECT BRADLEY'S STANCE ON THE MATTER. Obviously ! you can see that by the simple fact that he has re-itorated it himself on here.

"You can't blame Minde for Showing up & Pulling if nobody stops him" Yeh..........kinda like - "You can't blame that Mugger for snatching a Bag off an Old Lady" hmmmmmm opinions vary !

My opinion is..... that IF we are going down THAT ROAD then everyone should have a degree of common sense here & therefore IF the rules state that : Pullers whom have already Won the event cannot enter, those Pullers shouldn't really show up. I am not shirking responsibility there Guys, ITS MY FAULT but for Gods sake throw me a rope on that one or if not me your fellow athletes as its them that this effects ultimately. THAT SAID for me Minde is no Mugger, he should be elidgible & is a Novice level Armrestler just like yourself Leon.

The reason WHY Bradley was unsettled initially was actually due to the efforts of people like yourself contacting him and trying to whip up a problem from the issue, from your usual position with a cloudy view.

Re-quoting me (you see........you see everyone.......I told you he was wrong !") & then putting a is as Sad as it gets Leon, it really is, come on mate, whats that all about.

I don't want to fall out with yourself Leon or any other Armwrestler for that matter, its hard enough trying to ensure that everything runs smoothly & to time on the day & to be honest its just not the type of Man I am however if you are so set on us being at odds, then so be it as ultimately I am a Man and I won't stand back quietly while you constantly Snipe away at me.

Once again I apologise to Bradley & to Jay Hill who were directly affected by Minde's participation even though, with my non BAF hat on I actually feel that his involvement benefitted both men in the long run

Regards

Neil

Leon wrote:

"The Official ruling is that once you have won the British Novice Championships, then you are unable to pull in the Novice category again "

https://armwrestling.forummotion.com/t3595-professional-novice-armwrestling-evaluated

I DO WANNA THANK YOU HOWEVER LEON..........for this post as it saves me reitorating my ACTUAL non BAF hat view on the whole Novice Vs. Pro debate

Cheers

Neil

How about having a level between novice and pro. Semi -pro or whatever.

Any novice winning so many novice competitions AND a British novice competition qualify to pull as semi-pros.

And again, after a semi-pro arm wrestler wins so many competitions at that level (+ British semi-pro if Neil is keen on the idea) he or she would then become a pro.

In most cases, the gap between novice and professional arm wrestlers is huge. Progress for an arm wrestler will be safer and smoother if the level of competitors are similar.

hi everyone i think this is all getting a little bit out of hand now, its clear no1 is happy about what has happened but honestly what can be done now, i suggested to neil about having a 5 round supermatch between bradley and jason hill who came 2nd and 3rd in the weight class, minde brad and jay all had clash of techniques, brad pinned minde on the day, minde pinned jay and jay pinned brad, when looking at the results in this way, maybe one of the best options to solve the matter would be to let jason hill and bradley martinez battle it out in a 5 round super match, NOT FOR THE NOVICE TITLE, but just to put both lads minds at rest, i think it would actually turn out to be a very good match up, brad does not want the 1st place by default which is totally understandable, jason hill is up for a rematch based on the fact that he wrestled brad once on right arm and won, then came against minde 2 times which led to him loosing both matches and kept from the final, i hope everyone understands where im coming from, this has got to be one of the simple options to take, everyones a winner in this case, thanks

tom holland

Tom that sounds like a good idea to me. I'm more than happy to have a super match on left and right with jay in new year. I have a supermatch at rossendale and then its new year cup So if jay wants to contact me to set this up after this I'm game.

Cheers mate.

thats great to hear mate, may i jus say well done for taking 2 pins off minde, i dont no him but he looks like a strong individual, jay is up for a match with you, i think this will turn out to be a very exciting match, you seem to be improoving very fast and you seem very dedicated, jason is in a win win situation if he wins he is happy if he looses he is still happy just to the fact you both will be given a second chance, also this way if its not for the novice title you both know where you stand in rankings and you are both still eligable to enter the british novice 2013, so as its settled and your both happy, all we need to do is find an appropriate date for you 2 to have this rematch, looking forward to this battle already mate, CHEERSE

Sweet, I'm having chats with jason as we speak to sort out a rankings supermatch in new year. Cheers for comments Tom. Much appricated.

Brad

Guys first I would like to say that the weekends pulling was great I really enjoyed it the comp was quick and efficient and ran smoothly guys pulled great and new upcoming superstars in the making.

Has for what's going on now this is my take I consider myself to be a professional armwrestler I have travelled the world and won and been consistent through the years my take on novice and pro really differ from most I can honestly say I consider there to be about 20 pullers in the UK able to be called pro even tho were all armatures in reality,I won't mention names but I see this to be true in my eyes the level in this country is mediocre at best in the main part and only very few compete on the biggest scale.

Some people rise to stardom far quicker some take more time so to use a title as a line draw is wrong depending on the toughness of the class common sense needs to used,example at the weekend Bradley got a great 2nd had tough pulls with Minte with all due respect Bradley is a novice and will continue to be for the near future IMO so Minte who should now be pro IMO not also lost to a novice hmmmm things don't add up novice should not beat pro armwrestlers end off!!

Another example was Bloom he easily played with his nearest rivals and has also given pros a tough time thus earning his pro card

Also the big guy from Manchester who entered his first company and won is he now a pro?? Would you wish to see him roll with Gary Ricketts Marvin big Stephen Alan?? Again common sense needs to be used and use the rules loosely but more of a bench mark.

Nobody likes to argue more than myself and Neil but on this occasion I don't think we should publicly flog him,maybe just a few pms saying do your job better hahaha

Well, where to begin? And we agreed not to have another "keyboard bum fight" as you put it, yet here you are with you having another go. Regardless I'm not going to play tit-for-tat and insult you back as it shows a lack of character. But you're so insulting I can't help but reply at the least.

KING EDWARD wrote:

Leon,
The reason that you found Minde so Strong is because regardless of how you would like to be regonised mate, your level right now is Novice.
Thats not meant to be a derogatory comment although I'm sure you will try to percieve it as such, its a statement of fact in my opinion, either way I couldn't care less.

That's hardly the worst thing anyone has ever said to me Neil, but playing along, I'm curious as to why you've brought this up if it's not meant to be one of your famous putdowns... coincidence!

As for my level, I decided to stop pulling "novice" level comps after last years novice nationals - which is my decision, regardless of what you or anyone else might think about what my level is. I'd been pulling novice comps for 4 years and figured enough was enough really, and seeing as I'm not looking for an easy win I don't really care - I'd much rather pull guys much better than me rather than try and find easy trophies to win. I've actually received a lot of stick from other pullers for pulling novice so long (Dan being one of them funnily enough) but all in good fun.

As to whether anyone is a "pro" or a "novice", those terms are very misleading applied to the majority of pullers in our country (as no one is paid to pull and there is no prize money at most comps and most don't travel overseas) and really only reflect what level comps they enter imo, hence all this confusion in the first place.

KING EDWARD wrote:

The other point to note, is that regardless of my own mistakes here & YES I GET IT LEON (you hold me responsible & actually so do I, for want its worth) & you want everyone to understand that it was my fault & make a bigger song & dance about it than the opening number at a BEYONCE GIG ! BUT Minde is a Puller who currently possesses a very Raw, unrefined Top Roll technique and a Novice level of ability, FACT.
That was CLEARLY best illustrated by the fact that Bradley Martinez beat him in their opening Match at this very event, ACTUALLY BY OUT ARMWRESTLING HIM & TRANSITIONING FROM A DEFENSIVE POSTING POSITION. A fact you might have picked up on, had you been more focussed on the actuality of the situation rather than simply stirring up trouble.

I'm not sure why you are getting so upset with me personally - it's hardly the crime of the century is it (letting Minde in the class) and you already said it was a simple oversight letting him in the competition, so why all this hysteria directed towards me? You're the one making a huge fuss if anyone.

You seem to think me mentioning the issue in a post is tantamount to 'treason' given your hysterical reaction. I was making the point (in response to a few posts which have since been deleted) that perhaps Minde isn't "an cheat" for entering considering everything - and a witch hunt against a guy who can't even defend himself on this forum is probably not a fair way forward. I was also agreeing with you that it wasn't Mindes fault, seeing as you'd already stated it wasn't!
As to what happened in the match between Bradley and Minde, I can't pick up on 'facts' regarding matches I wasn't present at - which is plainly obvious really and why I haven't commented on the specifics of their matches bar saying kudos to Bradley for beating Minde!

KING EDWARD wrote:

I am so tired of loosing focus due to seemingly pedantic, narrow minded, negative individuals like yourself Leon, who constantly just Snipe away, if you spent anywhere near as much time, firstly having the slightest clue of what you are talking about and secondly focussing on doing positive things then everyone would be better off.

Put down the violin, I didn't realise you doubled as a life coach. If a couple of forum posts cause you to "lose focus" so easily, perhaps turn your laser-like analytical abilities on yourself, as you're the one chucking about insults at breakfast time.

I really wouldn't have brought this up again but, as regards my "sniping" I guess you must be referring to the phone conversation we had (after you applied one of your trademark putdowns on this forum and basically called me a coward for not showing at the nyc 2012, - as I said, the only comp of yours I'd missed in 3 years which led to us arguing on here). In that phone conversation, you apologised re: the insult, and I thought we'd put all that behind us tbh. We talked about a lot of stuff then and agreed arguing on the forum and making personal attacks in the heat of the moment was completely counterproductive and possibly a bit childish, ironic eh?

Back on topic though, you seem obsessed with the idea that people might be daring to talk about arm wrestling in the UK - (how dare they!) and that it's always a negative thing if someone doesn't agree with you to the letter. By the tone of your post to me and the amount of insults in it, you'd think I'd ran over your pet dog, rather than just agreeing with you that Minde shouldn't have, according to the rules been allowed to enter and linking to a thread where you "wear your BAF hat" and state your opinion - which is relevant to the discussion don't you think?

KING EDWARD wrote:

You claim to be a fan of Armwrestling BUT you are a misguided fool who utilizes his energy to try to be devisive based around any scraps you can uncover.

Cheers mate. I don't make any wild claims to be anything relating to where I stand re: arm wrestling, I am what I am. Thanks for your frank assesment of my character though, it's good to know where I stand. I think people who know me know what I'm like and how I act and that I'm consistent regarding what I say and what I do.

KING EDWARD wrote:

Your comments above for example....the post I made stated the facts, I cocked up & missed Minde had won the event previously - Minde won - I offered to strip him of the title as a result - Bradley & Dan didn't feel that was necessary. I have nothing to hide here & despite your doubting post above it appears that I CLEARLY DID ACTUALLY REFLECT BRADLEY'S STANCE ON THE MATTER. Obviously ! you can see that by the simple fact that he has re-itorated it himself on here.
"You can't blame Minde for Showing up & Pulling if nobody stops him" Yeh..........kinda like - "You can't blame that Mugger for snatching a Bag off an Old Lady" hmmmmmm opinions vary !

Well having had Bradley talk to me before this forum topic even came up, you were misrepresenting what he was saying to me, hence my jokey post. He replied AFTER I posted too, so you using his later post (after he had somewhat resolved the issue with you) as a cast iron version of what might have been said earlier on is completely misleading - nice try though. But I don't want to drag Bradley into this any further as he's acted with dignity here.

I've already mentioned I was agreeing with what you said re: you making a simple mistake letting Minde in. Strange analogy with the mugger though, a bit weird don't you think?

KING EDWARD wrote:

My opinion is..... that IF we are going down THAT ROAD then everyone should have a degree of common sense here & therefore IF the rules state that : Pullers whom have already Won the event cannot enter, those Pullers shouldn't really show up. I am not shirking responsibility there Guys, ITS MY FAULT but for Gods sake throw me a rope on that one or if not me your fellow athletes as its them that this effects ultimately. THAT SAID for me Minde is no Mugger, he should be elidgible & is a Novice level Armrestler just like yourself Leon.

Trying to stay away from the more offensive stuff you've written and to be more serious for a moment, getting back to the novice question; taking what you said above literally, I'm a bit confused; on the one hand we all need to have common sense and as the rules say you can't enter again if you have previously won that people should simply not try and enter twice; yet Minde isn't a "mugger" for entering a second time.... So he was wrong to enter because it's against the rules, but right to do so because he is at novice level anyway.. ?

I guess in a nutshell the above paragraph crystallises the whole problem with the eligibility question and why it is so confusing for everyone in the first place.
Anyway thanks for reminding me of my novice level eligibility again mate, cheers.

KING EDWARD wrote:

The reason WHY Bradley was unsettled initially was actually due to the efforts of people like yourself contacting him and trying to whip up a problem from the issue, from your usual position with a cloudy view.

Looking back at what happened, you're wrong, but as I said I don't want to drag Bradley into this any further.

KING EDWARD wrote:

Re-quoting me (you see........you see everyone.......I told you he was wrong !") & then putting a is as Sad as it gets Leon, it really is, come on mate, whats that all about.

The (!) icon means "surprise" as in "I am surprised". I wasn't trying to point out "I told you everyone Neil was wrong", as you'd said it yourself in your own post: you said it was a simple mistake letting Minde in. You're clutching at straws here.

KING EDWARD wrote:

I don't want to fall out with yourself Leon or any other Armwrestler for that matter, its hard enough trying to ensure that everything runs smoothly & to time on the day & to be honest its just not the type of Man I am however if you are so set on us being at odds, then so be it as ultimately I am a Man and I won't stand back quietly while you constantly Snipe away at me.

Well for someone who's doesn't want a falling out, dishing out all sorts of reckless insults and shooting from the hip without any regard might not be the best strategy? Reading back it's clear you've decided to be at odds with me, given the way you've pounced on my post and tried to turn it into something it's not with your non-put-downs and analysis of my character, lame insults etc.

It's funny that you say you have to be a man and won't stand back quietly, so you act like a toddler going on the offensive against someone who effectively agreed with what you said.

On balance, I really think you've gone way over board here with the personal attacks on me, which is a bit disappointing if sadly predictable given your previous form. If you could hear the things everyone says about you behind your back you'd probably think twice before posting nonsense like this, which just reaffirms what everyone says about you.

Hi Tom / Brad,

As discussed earlier on the SmS with "SlimFast" I think a 5 Rounder between Brad & Jay sounds like a cracking idea & I couldn't think of a better way to conduct a level finder than that, once again pass on my apologies to Jay.

Thanks Leon, good post.......

I know I'm widely loved & I can also very much imagine that the love for me is really prominent within your own circle of friends, ya know.....everyone.....obviously !

Good job that you don't REALLY KNOW ME MATE...........TRUST ME I'm a really horrible B*stard, you wouldn't like me.............I leave the Toilet seat up n everything

Anyway we can't all be popular mate and I'll just have to try n learn to live with that fact, just to pick up one point that you've made however for info there is nothing bad about being a Novice level Armwrestler, nothing at all, some of my favorite Armwrestlers in the World, both to hang out with & to watch, are Novice's.

The negative troublemaker thing THAT WAS BAD & it seems like those Evil little voices are chattering away behind both of our backs as a number of them have informed me that you are very comfortable playing that role well ! damn those voices........... ESPECIALLY THE ONES THAT HATE ME................DAMN THEM ALL TO HEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLL !!!

Cheers

Neil

I think this is a case of some one to blame and IMO we all are . The room was full of wrstlers and no one said any thing on the day
So any one that was there last year could of said something but didn't
Mistakes will always be made
I thought it was a great day with a lot of new pullers and no one got injured