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PostSubject: british ranking   british ranking EmptyTue 16 Mar - 20:14

world rankings
Top 10 World, men right
1. Devon Larratt, CAN
2. John Brzenk, USA
3. Denis Cyplenkov, RUS
4. Andrey Pushkar, UKR
5. Don Underwood, USA
6. David Randall, USA
7. Arsen Liliev, RUS
8. Ron Bath, USA
9. Yoshinobu Kanai, JAP
10. Rustam Babayev, UKR

Top 10 Europe
1. Denis Cyplenkov, RUS
2. Andrey Pushkar, UKR
3. Arsen Liliev, RUS
4. Rustam Babayev, UKR
5. Grzegorz Nowak, POL
6. Genadi Kvikvinia, GEO
7. Normunds Tomsons, LAT
8. Ivan Matyushenko, RUS
9. Sergiy Tokarev, UKR
10. Ion Oncescu, ROM

Top 10 North America
1. Devon Larratt, CAN
2. John Brzenk, USA
3. Don Underwood, USA
4. David Randall, USA
5. Ron Bath, USA
6. Travis Bagent, USA
7. Michael Todd, USA
8. Marcio Barboza, BRA/USA
9. Tim Bresnan, USA
10. Rob Vigeant JR, USA
Current ranking - World
Men right 70 kg:
1. Roman Tsindiliani, RUS
2. Hristo Delidzhakov, BUL
3. Jan Vojencak, SVK
4. Alexandr Kovalchuk, RUS
5. Pavel Pautaran, BLR
6. Ivan Lukyanchuk, UKR
7. Georgi Gaydardjiev, BUL
8. Valiantsin Babrovich, BLR
9. Serhat Arslan, TUR
10. Vazgen Soghoyan, ARM

Left:
1. Roman Tsindiliani, RUS
2. Georgi Hubaev, RUS
3. Alexander Voronetskiy, RUS
4. Rim Khamidullin, RUS
5. Georgi Gaydardjiev, BUL

Men right 78 kg
1. Khadzimurat Zoloev, RUS
2. Artem Tainov, UKR
3. Jaba Getiashvili, GEO
4. Janis Amolins, LAT
5. Zhanaly Khassanov, KAZ
6. Sergei Pisarkov, RUS
7. Alexander Bulenkov, RUS
8. Giorgi Tvaliashvili, GEO
9. Viktor Balabanov, BUL
10. Pascal Humard, SUI

Left:
1. Alexander Bulenkov, RUS
2. Engin Terzi, TUR
3. Jaba Getiashvili, GEO
4. Yusuf Bayramukov, RUS
5. Maxim Philipov, RUS

Men right 86 kg
1. Rustam Babayev, UKR
2. Ruslan Babayev, UKR
3. Lubomir Jagnesak, SVK
4. Artem Taynov, UKR
5. Dieter Spannagel, GER
6. Pascal Girard, SUI
7. Piotr Bartosiewicz, POL
8. Steve Rau, USA
9. Irakli Gamtenadze, GEO
10. Gabriel Harcarik, SVK

Left:
1. Rustam Babayev, UKR
2. Lubomir Jagnesak, SVK
3. Ruslan Babayev, UKR
4. Alexandr Getalo, KAZ
5. Roman Filippov, RUS

Men right 95 kg:
1. John Brzenk, USA
2. Arsen Liliev, RUS
3. Rustam Babayev, UKR
4. Ion Oncescu, ROM
5. Sharon Remez, SWE
6. Edmir Frroku, ITA
7. Krasimir Kostadinov, BUL
8. Azamat Eldzharov, RUS
9. Taras Ivakin, UKR
10. Mykhaylo Rudakov, UKR

Left:
1. Viatcheslav Muriev, RUS
2. John Brzenk, USA
3. Dariusz Muszczak, POL
4. Alexander Fugarov, KAZ
5. Ion Oncescu, ROM

Men right +95 kg:
1. Devon Larratt, CAN
2. John Brzenk, USA
3. Denis Cyplenkov, RUS
4. Andrey Pushkar, UKR
5. Don Underwood, USA
6. David Randall, USA
7. Arsen Liliev, RUS
8. Ron Bath, USA
9. Yoshinobu Kanai, JAP
10. Rustam Babayev, UKR

Left:
1. Denis Cyplenkov, RUS
2. Travis Bagent, USA
3. Wagner Bortolato, BRA
4. Andrey Pushkar, UKR
5. Christian Binnie, USA
Hall of Fame men,
No particular order!
70 kg
Engin Terzi, TUR
Dave Patton, USA
Jerry Janning, USA
Shamil Karajaev, RUS
Vephkia Samkaradze, GEO
Taimuras Tsakhilov, RUS
Dave Hicks, CAN
Haydar Gildil, TUR
Roman Tsindiliani, RUS
Khadzimurat Zoloev, RUS

80 kg
Rustam Babayev, UKR
Taimuraz Tsakhilov, RUS
Cobra Rhodes, USA
Cvetan Gashevski, BUL
Dave Patton, USA
George Givens, USA
Bert Withfield, USA
Andreas Rundstrom, SWE
Todd Demasseo, USA
Zoloev Kazbek, RUS
Abdula Eldarov, RUS
Niyazi Kurt, TUR
Allen Fisher, USA
Lubomir Jagnesak, SVK
Arsen Liliev, RUS

90 kg
John Brzenk, USA
Sharon Remez, ISR
Maxim Maksimov, RUS
Taras Ivakin, UKR
Genaddy Fadzinov, RUS
Jan Germanus, SVK
Johnny Walker, USA
Bill Brzenk, USA
John Buononato, USA
Guy Lasorsa, USA
Kevin Bongard, USA
Ruslan Babayev, UKR

100 kg
John Brzenk, USA
Ron Bath, USA
Jan Germanus, SVK
Sylvain Perron, CAN
Yoshinobu Kanai, JAP
Clay Rosencrans, USA
Sharon Remez, ISR
David Tchelidze, GEO
Rasul Tcohaev, RUS
David Randall, USA

110 kg
John Brzenk, USA
Marcio Barboza, BRA
Peter Gazderica, SVK
Erekle Gurchiani, GEO
Ibragim Ibragimov, RUS
Virgil Arciero, USA
Ed Arnold, USA
Jerry Cadorette, USA
Jim Northern, USA
Al Turner, USA
Fred Decker, USA

Heavyweights
Cleve Dean, USA
John Brzenk, USA
Alexey Voevoda, RUS
Travis Bagent, USA
Jerry Cadorette, USA
Matt Girdner, USA
Gary Goodridge, CAN
Alan Karaev, RUS
Vakhtang Javakadze, GEO
Bobby Hopkins, USA
Richard Lupkes, USA
Zaur Tskadadze, GEO

do we have a british ranking ????? if not can we have one ????? neil will be best person to ask for it , i dont mean who we think is ranked here and there but from results i can quit easy put in a british ranking section on the chat room, think it would be good to hav to see who is were.
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PostSubject: Re: british ranking   british ranking EmptyTue 16 Mar - 21:32

I'm VERY surprised to hear one doesn't already exist scratch scratch geek
I'll be watching this space.
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PostSubject: Re: british ranking   british ranking EmptyTue 16 Mar - 21:36

Yeah, it would be good to have a ranking system, but i think it should be a points based system like formula 1, the more comps you pull and the better you place will give you more points, also it will encourage better turn outs for comps.
I'm thinking
1st = 20 points
2nd= 18
3rd= 16
4th= 14
5th= 12
and so on.


These points can also be combined for team rankings, again to encourage better turn outs.

Arm Wars events wouldn't count as not every UK puller gets to compete.

What do you think Terry?
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PostSubject: Re: british ranking   british ranking EmptyTue 16 Mar - 21:46

neil pickup or paul maiden would be the best people to do the ranking system
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PostSubject: Re: british ranking   british ranking EmptyTue 16 Mar - 22:07

well i think thats a good system dan and i agree it will push people knowing if they dont not pull comps people will pass them , end of year save the old records so people can look back on them then start again , take some work and also few people will need to put the time in to update any one elce any thoughts .
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PostSubject: Re: british ranking   british ranking EmptyTue 16 Mar - 23:36

Dan's hit the nail on the head, big question is 'which comps should be ranked'.
It's not plausible to say EVERY comp because any pro can hold a competition.
As the sport develops comps north and south should be taken into consideration.
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PostSubject: Re: british ranking   british ranking EmptyWed 17 Mar - 0:03

God of War wrote:

As the sport develops comps north and south should be taken into consideration.

Uh-oh! Are me and Dean North or South? Haha. Dean you're 15 miles more northern than me..

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/10_04/england2410_468x816.jpg

Ok we're southern by a hair !! Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: british ranking   british ranking EmptyWed 17 Mar - 0:16

God of War wrote:
Dan's hit the nail on the head, big question is 'which comps should be ranked'.
It's not plausible to say EVERY comp because any pro can hold a competition.
As the sport develops comps north and south should be taken into consideration.

Only comps sanctioned by the BAF, so New years cup, Preston, Granite Arm, Iron Arm, British novice and open, and any others that are arranged with Neil as part of the British calender. If it's not sanctioned by the BAF, then no results count towards rankings.
It would be cool to have a couple in Scotland sanctioned by BAF also, that way if you guy's north of the border can't make it down here, you can still gain points.

This system could then tie in with the great debate on who's novice and who's not. After reaching a certain amount of points, you have to move up and pull open class.
There can be no grey areas then.
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PostSubject: Re: british ranking   british ranking EmptyWed 17 Mar - 0:40

Leon wrote:
Uh-oh! Are me and Dean North or South? Haha. Dean you're 15 miles more northern than me.Ok we're southern by a hair !!

If this is to be considered as BRITISH then the only borders that can be taken
into consideration are those between Scotland, England, Wales and Norther Ireland.
Granted there may not be much A.W. activity in Wales or Ireland but the same
can be said about Scotland.
If this is to develop into a british ranking structure the door must remain open
for these other countries.
If not it's simply just the english rankings. Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: british ranking   british ranking EmptyWed 17 Mar - 0:43

I like your thinking Dan, very practical.
How do these other countries like America calculate their rankings Question
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PostSubject: Re: british ranking   british ranking EmptyWed 17 Mar - 0:43

I wasn't saying it should just be English, I thought you were talking about that North vs South of England thing (which has been mentioned before) which is a bit daft imo.

Can't the rankings just be "British" including everyone.

I agree totally with what Nosf.. Dan said btw Very Happy


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PostSubject: Re: british ranking   british ranking EmptyWed 17 Mar - 0:50

It's cool m8, i know you weren't talking about an all english ranking.
I'd never heard of this division between the north and south of England
until i got involved in A.W. and joined this forum.
It's pathetic and anyone who agrees with such a division is small minded
and no different from those prejudice fools who try to make a headline
every once in a while.
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PostSubject: Re: british ranking   british ranking EmptyWed 17 Mar - 0:52

God of War wrote:
It's cool m8, i know you weren't talking about an all english ranking.
I'd never heard of this division between the north and south of England
until i got involved in A.W. and joined this forum.
It's pathetic and anyone who agrees with such a division is small minded
and no different from those prejudice fools who try to make a headline
every once in a while.

Amen! Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: british ranking   british ranking EmptyWed 17 Mar - 0:53

Razz Razz Razz Peace bro. afro
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PostSubject: Re: british ranking   british ranking EmptyWed 17 Mar - 10:08

I'd never heard of this division between the north and south of England
until i got involved in A.W. and joined this forum.
It's pathetic and anyone who agrees with such a division is small minded
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mark its not a division thats fucking bull shit it called a laugh u no bit of good banter with the northern lads and the southern faggats lol haha there was even a
comp called north vs south at one time and i really good comp which the north WON Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing but joking aside lets not start this shit
iv lots of friends from the south and there lots of good puller .

right back to british ranking ill ask neil about it at training and get back to u lot , i agree so many comps over a even area more point u get higher u go, i mean u will soon no your not ready for the pro,s soon as u hav no point lol haha

people that would like to be on the bored please put names forward , i myself will hav a go at it dan i think mybe u from the south lol haha lol! ill ask neil and see were we go from there , moving forward it can only be good for the sport , we all entry to win and be the best so lets see were we all are in really life off results and hard work trying to make the comp and win.
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PostSubject: Re: british ranking   british ranking EmptyWed 17 Mar - 10:13

I agree with all but one thing you've said Dan.
It would be fantastic to have a few comps in Scotland sanctioned by the B.A.F.
but as far as us still being able to use these comps to build points in the event
that we can't make it down south is not a good way to go.
If the B.A.F. sanctions a comp north or south of the border then we all have
a responsibility to attend. Otherwise thise will allow people to remain complacent
and not bother making an effort to atend most of the sanctioned comps. afro
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PostSubject: Re: british ranking   british ranking EmptyWed 17 Mar - 10:17

That's fair enough Terry, there's nothing wrong with a bit of banter, we
have it up here with east and west. afro
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PostSubject: Re: british ranking   british ranking EmptyWed 17 Mar - 10:23

2010 events B.A.F

MAJOR TV EVENT ARM WARS "POWERPLAY" & B.A.F. NEW YEAR CUP EVENT
SAT 23RD & SUN 24TH JAN 2010, VENUE TBC, LANCASHIRE.
JAN

MAIN DRAW U.K. REGIONAL NOVICE EVENT TBC FEB
MAIN DRAW THE ARNOLD CLASSIC 2010 / UK TEAM ATTENDANCE
FRI 5TH - MON 9TH MARCH COLOMBUS, OHIO, USA
MAR
MAIN DRAW U.K. REGIONAL NOVICE EVENT TBC MAR
MAIN DRAW PRESTON PANTHERS B.A.F. EVENT
SAT TH APRIL 2010, TARELTON, LANCASHIRE.
APR
MAJOR TV EVENT ARM WARS "LEGACY" FIBO 2010
FRI 23RD - SUN 26TH APRIL, ESSEN, GERMANY
APR
MAJOR TV EVENT FRI 28TH - MON 31TH MAY 2010
"SENI 2010" THE COMBAT SPORTS SHOW
EXCEL, LONDON DOCKLANDS

MAIN DRAW THE E.A.F. EUROPEAN CHAMPIONSHIPS 2010 / UK TEAM ATTENDANCE
1ST - 6TH JUNE MOSCOW / RUSSIA
JUN
MAIN DRAW GRANITE ARM "KINGS OF CUMBRIA" B.A.F. EVENT
SAT 19TH JUNE 2010 THE BOWER HOUSE INN, ESKDALE, CUMBRIA.
JUN
MAJOR TV EVENT FRI 16TH - MON 19TH JULY 2010
THE TRAFFORD CENTRE
MANCHESTER, ENGLAND
JUL
AGREED NATIONAL REST PERIOD TO ALLOW MAXIMUM ATTENDANCE AT BRITISH NATIONALS
MAIN DRAW THE BRITISH JUNIOR BRITISH NOVICE & BRITISH PROFESSIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS
SAT 28TH - SUN 29TH AUG 2010
VENUE TBC
AUG
MAIN DRAW SOUTH EAST ARMWRESTLING B.A.F. EVENT SAT TH 2010, BERKSHIRE, SLOUGH.




MAJOR TV EVENT ARM WARS "WEREWOLVES OF LONDON"
FRI 29TH - MON 1ST OCT 2010
THE LAKESIDE CENTRE
THURROCK / ESSEX
OCT
MAIN DRAW B.A.F. IRON ARM 2010 / VENUE TBC
END OF YEAR EVENT XMAS PARTY & AWARDS NIGHT
NOV
MAIN DRAW THE W.A.F. WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS 2010 / UK TEAM ATTENDANCE
SUN 28TH NOV - SUN 5TH DEC / LAS VEGAS, NEVADA, U.S.A.
DEC

also maybe more point for the worlds and british because always been the same because there hard comps alway get small turn out me for one hav never pulled a worlds like maybe to try this year .
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PostSubject: Re: british ranking   british ranking EmptyWed 17 Mar - 10:42

spoken to neil he did say he tried it around 5 years ago based of a super series and it did not work , but he also said he was happy for me to compile a ranking system and try it , so lets do it need 3 guys to help me iv like dan to be one , also maybe we could start this with the preston comp ????
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PostSubject: Re: british ranking   british ranking EmptyWed 17 Mar - 11:22

I'm not quite sure what the best way to rank is… I like what Dan said about the point system at a few select competitions during the year but then if Craig Sanders doesn't turn up to a couple of competitions and I take the #1 spot at 78kg then we'll all know he's still the best (but I guess that’s part of the game). So whilst I see the benefits of a point system I'm not sure if there should be a person involved taking into consideration the variability’s of the game like Engin Turzi does on www.WorldOfArmwrestling.com.

BUT, if we want a system that can run on it’s on, is very clear cut and doesn’t need managing then a straight point system is the best way forward.

Also, we would need to set the weight classes and then at every competition on the ranking calendar would need to have the same weight classes (that might mean a 65kg class at a small event).

I also think that we would need to make some of the competitions more heavily weighted so that more points are available at for example the British, EAF and WAF Championships. So instead of 10 points for a win in a normal domestic competition, 15 are available if you win the BAF and 20 if you win the WAF/EAF.

So after all that, in my opinion I think that a straight point system WITHOUT anyone’s interference with more heavily weighted competitions such as the British, WAF and EAF is the best way to rank in the UK. Very Happy

What weight classes do you think we should include?
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PostSubject: Re: british ranking   british ranking EmptyWed 17 Mar - 11:26

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spoken to neil he did say he tried it around 5 years ago based of a super series and it did not work , but he also said he was happy for me to compile a ranking system and try it , so lets do it need 3 guys to help me iv like dan to be one , also maybe we could start this with the preston comp ????

How about you Dan and someone else come up with the current rankings in the UK and then let the points decide from then on?
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PostSubject: Re: british ranking   british ranking EmptyWed 17 Mar - 11:34

i agree with ever thing u say and if craig does not pull he loses point like any over human and if that means he drops down the system so be it thats the point of the system who pulled most over the year and who won more i hear what your saying that craig could pull 1 comp a year and still be classed number 1 like John Brzenk not pulling world and still the best , i total agree british and world should hold bigger point,s, the system im thinking of is to show black and white over the year who as pulled and won the most, i mean im sure there,s some freak out there that if he puller could be mega but if he dose not pull no point and no ranking.
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PostSubject: Re: british ranking   british ranking EmptyWed 17 Mar - 11:36

like i say should be fun to see how it pans out , and fair play to any one that makes it all the comps and ranks high, iv started setting it up yeh id like dans help and maybe a few more people .
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PostSubject: Re: british ranking   british ranking EmptyWed 17 Mar - 11:47

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i agree with ever thing u say and if craig does not pull he loses point like any over human and if that means he drops down the system so be it thats the point of the system who pulled most over the year and who won more i hear what your saying that craig could pull 1 comp a year and still be classed number 1 like John Brzenk not pulling world and still the best , i total agree british and world should hold bigger point,s, the system im thinking of is to show black and white over the year who as pulled and won the most, i mean im sure there,s some freak out there that if he puller could be mega but if he dose not pull no point and no ranking.

Great stuff. If you need any help let me know.
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Initial Rankings 2003

Welterweight

1,Steve Rodgers
2,Tony Leigh
3,Marutka Dennis
4,Ian Stones
5,Mick Fielding
6,Warren Bowdler
7,Barry Knowles
8,Peter Burnell
9,Keith Taylor
10,Graham Hazelton

Lightweight

1,Pascal Girard
2,Craig Sanders
3,Clive Ferguson
4,Alex Zubko
5,Andy Barker
6,Jonas Hammerstrom
7,Stuart Hall
8,Steven Kirlew
9,Don Ballard
10Julian Cini
11,Kevin Callaby


Middleweight

1,Neil Pickup
2,Tony Kiss
3,Sean Deacon
4,Arthur Dorohov
5,Austin Clark
6,Sylvan Carty
7,Dean Inger


Heavyweight

1,Paul Maiden
2,Alan Greaves
3,Rob Taylor
4,Mick Holland
5,Peter White
6,Nick Hall
7,Stan Dickenson
8,Mick Lawlor
9,Keith Dickenson
10,Tom Lawlor
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