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PostSubject: Re: B.A.F. 2010 NEW YEAR CUP SAT JAN 23RD   Thu Oct 29, 2009 11:29 pm

Funnily enough.........I also agree with Paul,

The rules shouldn't be changed without asking the Armwrestlers and thats why.............they haven't been.

A number things come to mind straight out of the gates here though however :-

1.) One of the benefits of being in the UK is that the Armwrestling community is small enough and tight knit enough to ensure that we all know who the Top 2 athletes are at the available WAF classes and I have very rarely been in a situation where I have had to say that an Armwrestler is unable to pull at the EAF or WAF events at the weight class that they would like to. So in some ways though theoretically sound, I don't actually get the issue here.
2. The opposite side to that coin is that, if you have a single qualifier event for the Worlds & the day before the event you get food poisoning are Piss Weak and can't pull in the event BUT all of the rest of the year you have been consistently smashing the other guys in your class. No one off flash in the Pan results CONSISTENTLY WINNING...............then some Dude you have owned all year shows for one event when you were ill and can book their plane ticket !!! is that fair !?
3.) EAF & WAF are Drug Tested events and steroid users often have to juice in cycles in order to avoid serious health issues and in doing so, can often struggle to retain their form consistently throughout the year, therefore a multi layered qualification process reduces the opportunity for the athlete whom could utilize unfair means to out perform their competition by juicing to peak at a single event and thereby gain qualification over a natural puller with a consistent level of performance.
4.) Armwrestling is a material battle, it deals with tissue, tendons, muscles & ligaments therefore throughout the average athletes year there may be one or two months out of 12, where their form is lower than their standard representative level due to injury. If a single qualification event happens to fall at the time when you are injured to a significant extent then a far less efficient athlete may gain qualification ahead of you ! if your performance is monitored at multiple events through the course of the year and you are one of the two dominant athletes in your class then your four victories would negate your one bad performance or absence........& the right man is on the plane !!!
5.) Armwrestling is a small niche sport and I believe that those who support the sport most fully deserve to have the honour of representing their country, therefore I love to see an athlete whom has given their heart and soul to supporting their sport through thick and thin throughout the season, be awarded the honour of representing their country at the EAF or WAF Championships.
6.) Based on averages alone if an athlete competes at multiple events throughout the year he or she will be more likely to encounter the other top athletes at their specific weight class throughout the course of the year therefore allowing a greater opportunity to develop themselves against a wider range of opponents and styles which is more representative of the reality they will face in the highest level of International competition.

I could go on if required to as I have a number of other pertinent points which highlight the benefits of multi layered qualification over the use of a single event however I don't want to bore the pants of people whilst inadvertantly demonstrating the level of detail which I have gone into when presenting and considering even the smallest elements of the sport.

Anyway, to get back to the over riding and original point and to correct Paul's incorrect assumption, the decision to endorse a multi layered qualification strategy for EAF & WAF events was actually taken by an elected panel and not by myself.

The decision was taken based upon the detailed consideration of the benefits and drawbacks of both the single event and multi layered strategies and the vote was absolutely categoric in favour of a multi layered system.

The sad but in some ways comical irony of this whole point, is the fact that, in the majority of instances there is not a full team of British Athletes in attendance at EAF & WAF competition and therefore places are very very rarely contested, secondly in the rare instances where there has been a clash of interest in a specific class, it has almost always been decided in a one on one Supermatch Style qualification bout.

Ya have gotta laugh, sometimes ya really do.
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PostSubject: Re: B.A.F. 2010 NEW YEAR CUP SAT JAN 23RD   Fri Oct 30, 2009 12:27 pm

Hi Neil

i wasnt going to continue with this but as i feel you have been brushed aside i will,

I have been one of your close friends in the sport and trained with you for years now so

You said...Anyway, to get back to the over riding and original point and to correct Paul's incorrect assumption, the decision to endorse a multi layered qualification strategy for EAF & WAF events was actually taken by an elected panel and not by myself

Why is it incorrect who was the panel? when was it passed? and were is the memo?

You said...Ya have gotta laugh, sometimes ya really

Why that? because i like billions of other people in the world have a right to say what they think?

thats all i have to say on that matter Sad



Dan well no you shouldnt have to stay at at 89kg all year round very few do,Top 2 finshers is how it should be imo,and with all due respect you no how hard it was to drop the weight and stay strong as you thought you was a cert at the british and wasnt...
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PostSubject: Re: B.A.F. 2010 NEW YEAR CUP SAT JAN 23RD   Fri Oct 30, 2009 4:17 pm

I know from our telephone conversation that I offended you Paul which makes us even Very Happy however as I said when I called that was not the real intension of my post.

Stating the facts of the situation was the primary objective and as discussed (which is far easier than typing it out for me at least) year was 2000, present was all the BAF committee at the time, Mike Haigh, Mick Holland, Neil Pickup, Wabbs Ugoala, Nigel Cawthorne, Guy Tinsley etc. and the position has not been formally reviewed since which may or may not be an issue.

What I also said earlier however is that the important point here is the point itself ie. not really the past but the present and the future, the qualification process for Worlds or Europeans may well need to be re visited and I am very happy to do so as required. You are now fully versed on my own suggestions around potential one on one format multi layered qualification bouts however the Fundamental starting point of the process should be to ensure that all interested athletes should nominate themselves for their target weight class for the forthcoming Worlds which next year is Moscow Russia & Mesquite USA respectively. So for real who is genuinely intending to go along and in what class would you like to pull ? I have filled in the ones that I know so lets see where there are clashes and go from there initially :-

WORLDS & EUROPEANS

-55kg
1.)
2.)

-60kg
1.) Ted Wilson
2.) Ian Stones

-65kg
1.)
2.)

-70kg
1.)
2.)

-75kg
1.) Craig Sanders
2.) Paul Waters

-80kg
1.) Chris Rimmer
2.)

-85kg
1.) Andy Barker
2.) Keith Taylor

-90kg
1.) Paul Maiden
2.) Dan Thomas or Neil Pickup

-100kg
1.) Neil Pickup
2.)

-110kg
1.)
2.)

+110kg
1.) Alan Greaves
2.)

Ladies
-50kg
1.)
2.)

-55kg
1.)
2.)

-60kg
1.)
2.)

-65kg
1.)
2.)

-70kg
1.)
2.)

-80kg
1.) Joanne Poole
2.)

+80kg
1.)
2.)

Masters Steve Rogers -70kg / Rod Linette -80kg / Alan Greaves +110kg /

Juniors

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PostSubject: Re: B.A.F. 2010 NEW YEAR CUP SAT JAN 23RD   Fri Oct 30, 2009 4:59 pm

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PostSubject: Re: B.A.F. 2010 NEW YEAR CUP SAT JAN 23RD   Fri Oct 30, 2009 5:21 pm

To clarify, is this 2 seperate novice and pro classes at the advertised weights or one mega class?
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PostSubject: Re: B.A.F. 2010 NEW YEAR CUP SAT JAN 23RD   Fri Oct 30, 2009 6:34 pm

No separate class Leon, its all in at the specified weigh categories mate.

OH YEH !!!

Just one other little detail while we are on the specifics of the event...........................

"RAMBO" ROD LINETTE Vs. "CAPTAIN SCARLETT" STEVE ROGERS

Is the first of the headline Supermatches confirmed for the evening of The N.Y.C. 2010 at a catchweight of -74kg Very Happy Shocked Very Happy

ITS ON !!!
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PostSubject: Re: B.A.F. 2010 NEW YEAR CUP SAT JAN 23RD   Fri Oct 30, 2009 7:11 pm

Now that's going to be one hell of a match. afro
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PostSubject: Re: B.A.F. 2010 NEW YEAR CUP SAT JAN 23RD   Fri Oct 30, 2009 11:03 pm

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No separate class Leon, its all in at the specified weigh categories mate.

OH YEH !!!

Just one other little detail while we are on the specifics of the event...........................

"RAMBO" ROD LINETTE Vs. "CAPTAIN SCARLETT" STEVE ROGERS

Is the first of the headline Supermatches confirmed for the evening of The N.Y.C. 2010 at a catchweight of -74kg Very Happy Shocked Very Happy

ITS ON !!!


Cheers Neil, sounds good!

Rod vs Steve will be a great matchup, looking forward to this one!
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PostSubject: Re: B.A.F. 2010 NEW YEAR CUP SAT JAN 23RD   Sat Oct 31, 2009 2:08 pm

The second of the feature matches confirmed for the evening of the New Year Cup event is...............................

"TRIGGER HAPPY" TERRY ACKERS Vs. "THE BIRMINGHAM BULLET" CRAIG SANDERS (Left Hand)

"The Bulldog" Lee Holland Vs. "WiseGrip" Andy Barker (Right Handed)

is another match I would like to schedule for the Show at a catch weight of -93kg !? as Andy weighs around 86Kg day to day & I believe Lee is around 95kg.

I've initially spoken with Andy who just said "Yeh now worries I'll pull anybody" so Lee PM me mate if this match is appeaqling or if there was someone else you had in mind specifically Wink
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PostSubject: Re: B.A.F. 2010 NEW YEAR CUP SAT JAN 23RD   Sat Oct 31, 2009 4:03 pm

TERRY ACKERS-V-CRAIG SANDERS affraid affraid affraid affraid This is a belter of a match bounce bounce bounce
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PostSubject: Re: B.A.F. 2010 NEW YEAR CUP SAT JAN 23RD   Sat Oct 31, 2009 6:48 pm

Looking forward to see craig pull, hes crazy strong affraid
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PostSubject: Re: B.A.F. 2010 NEW YEAR CUP SAT JAN 23RD   Sat Oct 31, 2009 7:07 pm

hi neil , i would love to pull andy at this event , i ll make sure i m around the 90kg mark
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PostSubject: Re: B.A.F. 2010 NEW YEAR CUP SAT JAN 23RD   Sat Oct 31, 2009 11:55 pm

Things are REALLY heating up. Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil afro
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PostSubject: Re: B.A.F. 2010 NEW YEAR CUP SAT JAN 23RD   Sun Nov 01, 2009 9:35 am

Shocked Shocked lol!
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PostSubject: Re: B.A.F. 2010 NEW YEAR CUP SAT JAN 23RD   Sun Nov 01, 2009 11:55 am

looking forward to this one there is sum class supermatches lined up
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